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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
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Should Britain leave the E.U. ???

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Originally Posted by *Touring Ted* View Post
Where would you start !!

If even you're pro-Eu , you can't deny its whole organisation and operation is a total shambles. It's too big, too complicated and full of bickering beaurocratics and lawyers.

Interesting language you used there Ted but anyway, I'm honestly not too sure - it's hard to construct a worldview of such things and when you do it's generally coloured by what paper you read. For what it's worth, an institution like the EU is never going to be simple with so many interested parties and 'bickering' as you call it, could also be called debate, which is integral to any democratic process.

From an outside view I still think for all its faults it's better than what we had before it. Free movement, regulation and free trade are things which the UK has benefited from. Besides that, anything to balance and check the power of governments, especially corrupt, inept and malicious ones like we have at the moment, is for me a good thing. Overall I feel that many EU rulings are made for the benefit of its citizens. This is of course why many Tories hate it, not to mention the ECHR, though that I understand that is a totally separate institution though few seem to understand the difference. And while the EU framework obviously needs to be improved, I don't think that it's current shortcomings are cause for scrapping it altogether.

Of course recent events with the ECB, Germany and Greece were pretty dubious and made me rethink my position on things, but this was more neo-liberalism 'socialism' for the rich sort of behaviour than anything else, and that's not going to go away with the EU. In a way it seems to me that the EU and various other things are being blamed for more profound problems that are inseparable from the current global system, first and foremost that power is far too centralised to a self-serving financial class and the level of inequality which follows that model. Anyway!

Incidentally, maybe it's worth mentioning that while the EU is often blamed for loss of sovereignty, which is absurd but a different debate entirely, there is very little said of the forthcoming Transatlantic Free Trade and Investment Partnership, which basically gives corporations unprecedented powers over national governments, but of course when most of the U.K. press is controlled by the like of Murdoch, The Barclay brothers, Desmond and The Rothermears, et al, it's not hard to see why. If anyone wants to read more about it without trawling the web, George Monbiot writing for the Guardian, is about the only journalist I know of who has covered it.

Lastly, if the UK leaves the EU it will probably spell the end of the Union itself. That's a rather depressing and bleak future to consider on top of everything else. It's going to be interesting to see how they word the ballot paper, and how it's portrayed by the corporate media. Even though some sadistic part of me wants to vote to leave just to see it blow up in people's faces, I'll be voting to stay - just.
 


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