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View Poll Results: Should Britain leave the E.U. ?
Yes 109 50.00%
No 46 21.10%
No.. But things MUST change 38 17.43%
I don't care 14 6.42%
Undecided 11 5.05%
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Well 'if' the UK leaves the EU other states may follow.
I even risk to say that if UK voters vote in favour of Brexit the whole thing falls apart and it spells the end of the European Union. It is, as a matter of fact, the reason why I would like the Brexit camp to win the referendum.

See how Poland is getting so cosy with Britain's government's positions. It's an indicator of what you said, earlorange. I don't doubt for a second that the other three Visegrad countries will follow suit if they feel the need to spell it openly instead of just reaping the fruits sewn by Poland without the need to do anything.

On another note, see how the new Portuguese PM blackmailed (news about this in a Spanish newspaper citing the director of the Centre for European Reform) the European Commission to accept the State Budget or else Portugal would veto the agreement between the EU and the UK. Does this show a strong, coese, union? Or, as predictable, does it show a disfunctional thing in which each constituent part is defending its objectives and goals?
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I even risk to say that if UK voters vote in favour of Brexit the whole thing falls apart and it spells the end of the European Union. It is, as a matter of fact, the reason why I would like the Brexit camp to win the referendum.

See how Poland is getting so cosy with Britain's government's positions. It's an indicator of what you said, earlorange. I don't doubt for a second that the other three Visegrad countries will follow suit if they feel the need to spell it openly instead of just reaping the fruits sewn by Poland without the need to do anything.

On another note, see how the new Portuguese PM blackmailed (news about this in a Spanish newspaper citing the director of the Centre for European Reform) the European Commission to accept the State Budget or else Portugal would veto the agreement between the EU and the UK. Does this show a strong, coese, union? Or, as predictable, does it show a disfunctional thing in which each constituent part is defending its objectives and goals?

Poland have 1 million of its citizens in the UK, they know compromise rather than being difficult will only be negative for them strategically.

There's not a chance in hell Cameron will get the approval of the other 27 leaders, it's a wish list & nothing else.

The fact that the EU is unelected & Merkel & Shultz appear to calling the shots shows how bad the EU has grown, the immigration crisis was imploded by St mother Merkel & even her own infrastructure & authorities are struggling & backlash is clear.

EU is only happy when it dictates to other countries, it shows its true colours when they know it needs serious reform & being told publicly.


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In a purely selfish way I love travelling across most of Europe without having to stop at borders.
In a mostly unselfish way I don't think we should have the complete freedom of all of the E.u. citizens to come here. We're pretty full.
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In a purely selfish way I love travelling across most of Europe without having to stop at borders.

In a mostly unselfish way I don't think we should have the complete freedom of all of the E.u. citizens to come here. We're pretty full.

I agree in the selfish element, and Travelling & exploring through Europe is apart from certain current restrictions unlikely to change.

The U.K. Maybe an island but that tunnel is still being exploited by many, the underlying other issue is 'overstayers' who've no intention of returning.


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I travel from UK, through France, through Switzerland, to Italy. Which means I have to flash my passport at every border on the way. So what's the difference, on that, and several other routes.
The joke is that at present, in the EU, our own border is the only one interested in seeing a passport.
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Poland have 1 million of its citizens in the UK, they know compromise rather than being difficult will only be negative for them strategically.
From what I've been reading in the press it goes beyond merely defending their citizens who live in the UK. Poland is activelly supporting several of the items which the British Government is trying to get being only one step short of saying that they want the same for themselves.


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The fact that the EU is unelected & Merkel & Shultz appear to calling the shots shows how bad the EU has grown, the immigration crisis was imploded by St mother Merkel & even her own infrastructure & authorities are struggling & backlash is clear.
The reality of the German Chancellor being calling the shots (and I'm not a germanophobe, a germanophile if anything) is the reason why I question if the EU still exists other than as a rubber stamping organization. Many times I wonder if the EU is still real or if it already died but someone forgot to issue the death certificate.
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From what I've been reading in the press it goes beyond merely defending their citizens who live in the UK. Poland is activelly supporting several of the items which the British Government is trying to get being only one step short of saying that they want the same for themselves.
That might be true on some things but I had read somewhere that Poland doesn't want the UK to do the 4 years in country and earning money before you get any benefits, maybe because they are one of the biggest takers in the EU? They did however say they would back it if the UK put troops in to Poland to show a strength on its borders as part of NATO

Why anyone should be getting UK child benefit payments for kids not even in the UK is beyond me, it just makes a laughing stock of the system no wonder Cameron wants to get it changed

Wayne

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Just found the article
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/glo...ng-nato-320648

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