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BMW is building the G310 GS in India.
I've been very badly bitten buying a BMW the moment it was launched. Myriad problems. I will never do this again with any manufacturer.
11 litre tank sounds OK for 300cc, far better than the 9.5 litre on BMW's 650cc X-Challenge and X-Country.
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Must apologize for my ignorance. I've not kept up on mag reviews lately and missed the new G310 and 310GS. The link below reviews the standard model, and it's a GREAT Honeymoon review.
Also, I just learned that all the 300 models are built in India. Review claims fit and finish are excellent and the reviewer, Don Canet, really liked the bike.
2018 BMW G 310 R, First Ride Motorcycle Review | Cycle World
The GS version looks even better to me. Rumors suggest a base price between
$5000 and $5500 USD. That is cheaper than both the Yamaha WR250R and CRF250L.
The BMW's weight is a bit high at claimed 374 lbs. wet. About 70 lbs. more than WR250 or Honda CRF250L.
But if the GS version performs as well as the standard version 310, then BMW
for SURE have a big winner on their hands. The 300 class bikes have really taken off here in US sales wise, this BMW could outclass the competition.
What will the new GS cost in India in Rupee?
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What will the new GS cost in India in Rupee?

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I suspect less than $5,000. Anything more and they might outprice themselves from the market.
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374 Ibs ~ 170 kilos for a 300 cc bike? What do they make it of? Chinese steel  ...
Its more than 20 kilos more than Mollydogs Dr650 and more than 30 kilos more than a KTM 690 and its twin Husky 701.....
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There's one in the BMW dealer I'm working at right now.
It looks better than I first though. But on close inspection you can see where they have saved the money..
A lot of cheap pressed steel and budget components. Un-branded suspension etc. Not necessarily a reason to swerve it though. Steel is strong and most things are easily replaced.
It's very light (as you'd expect) and it's nice to sit on.. I need to ride it though !!
They are being made in India and there is already some problems. BMW specified a certain standard of bolts in the engine and the factory just went ahead and used the junk that they use for their usual crap. But at least BMW turned around and made them rebuild them all.. Or did they ??? !!!!!!!!
So this doesn't instill me with confidence in the quality assurance and general build quality.
But it can't be any worse than the high end models which are designed to be as light and powerful as possible with no desire for them to outlast their warranty..
As always. Avoid the first 1-2 years of production models like the plague. I already know there will be a list of recalls as long as your arm...
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As always. Avoid the first 1-2 years of production models like the plague. I already know there will be a list of recalls as long as your arm...
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today Quality Assurance testing is moved to the users, but damn we don't get paid for this!  Isn't it brilliant idea? not only they save on not have to maintain QA department but customers pay them to test their bikes by themselves
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today Quality Assurance testing is moved to the users, but damn we don't get paid for this!  Isn't it brilliant idea? not only they save on not have to maintain QA department but customers pay them to test their bikes by themselves 
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Was it ever any different for european manufacturers?
You have been spoilt by the better Japanese QA model but even they get it wrong - I had bike # 3 off a Suzuki production line and whilst I overall enjoyed the bike (I still own it) I ended up breaking and replacing many parts, including the subframe. Interestingly enough the replacement (newer model) subframe was gussetted in the precise spot where mine broke.
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As always. Avoid the first 1-2 years of production models like the plague. I already know there will be a list of recalls as long as your arm...
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Good insight Ted. The earlier Cycle World review of the standard model was very positive, claimed welds and fit/finish was quite good. I've not seen this bike in person. Have to get down to my local BMW dealer to check it out.
As I've said before, I've actually had good luck with several 1st Year bikes, so they aren't 100% bad. But only owned ONE first year Euro bike ... my former 1981 BMW R80GS. I bought mine used. Never gave any real trouble aside from the usual crap all air heads had.
Some issues were corrected by my dealer before I got the bike, others I did later. Wish I had kept it. Collectors bike now.
Other first year bikes I can remember having:
TDM850 ('92), DRZ400E ('00), Vstrom 1000 ('02), Tiger 885 ('95), Tiger 1050 ('07) Several friends have had 1st year BMW's in the past, problems with some, especially early K bikes.
Recalls are to me more a major concern. But point well taken, many would argue to wait until a major upgrade is done on this new GS 310. Hopefully after the first model "upgrade" most of the real issues will be dealt with. But not many are willing to wait 2 or 3 years for this to happen.
Hopefully BMW can adapt Indian production to a high standard and make some good bikes. A great opportunity for both BMW and the Indian company BMW have partnered with.
At last ... an affordable GS!
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Whilst I'm quite critical of BMW's past slow reaction on major problems (e.g. 500+ fuel pump controller failures on the 1200GS), in fairness I should point out that BMW has a policy of continuous improvement so if (when) there are problems the workarounds should be implemented without waiting for a major upgrade.
As far as production is concerned, BMW builds all its tools and assembly components in Germany and these are supplied to the local factories by BMW. This is even true for Hams Hall factory in Birmingham, UK and Spartanburg factory in South Carolina, USA. There's two advantages, one is consistent control over quality, the second is the ability to implement both minor changes and major revamps without the local factory being aware of what's coming down the line and leaking the news.
It might be fashionable to knock Indian manufacturing but I imagine BMW has rigorous QA at the Indian factory.
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