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Ride L.A.R.A. Laos tours - my experiences - read before booking...

Took a tour of Southern Laos last month with Ride L.A.R.A.

Felt the need to make others aware of a number of issues our group had with them - which beyond abusive emails from the boss, Eric, we've had very little success in making amends for.

Among the issues:

We were 7 people in our group including a local guide (Eric didn't join our group) - they had only 6 bikes for us. We missed the entire first day (of 4) due to being a bike short.

The L.A.R.A. website promises well serviced bikes. They were anything but: Bald tires, no brakes, no lights, mirrors, indicators or anything else. Dirty fuel filters - very clearly, the bikes had been ridden hard and sent to us without any sort of maintenance. Our schedule - involved 500kms or so of road riding.

On the last day, one of the CRMs (for which we paid an additional USD50 a day) seized. Our guide insisted we ride it after it started making grinding sounds - and Eric now blames us for the damaged caused. We also had to paid $200 of our own cash to transport the bikes and rider back to Veintiane. We were not reimbursed for this.

We paid $30 for a damage mirror (one of the only remaining ones on any of the bikes) - clearly this money doesn't go to replacing damaged parts - as all the bikes were knackered - it gets pocketed? The rental equipment they supplied was likewise in terrible shape. Unwearable in most cases.

The Ride L.A.R.A website promises support vehicles 'can be arranged'. I wish we had arranged - although I'm sure it would have cost on top of the USD1,039 EACH we paid.

Eric's response to all our concerns has been nothing short of psychotic. My tips, if you choose to use them, would be this: Only collect bikes in Vientiane - and test ride them first, ensure you have a support vehicle or at the very least the provided guide has sufficient mechanical knowledge. Not so I our case, and if not for one of our groups knowledge, we'd have been stranded in the jungle.

In short, the tour had all the potential of being an amazing, 'once in a lifetime', trip. But Ride L.A.R.A failed on just about every level - including after abusive sales service.

Caveat Emptor.

Jim Flashman.
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Hey Jim, sorry to hear your Holiday was spoiled but shoddy workman ship. Laos is great place to ride, I have heard many reports about the level of equipment in Laos and Asia as a whole, although there are some rental shops with good bikes it seems that prevention is not better than cure.....

Where did you ride...

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Hi....I am Eric, owner and operator of L.A.R.A. For the guys who don't know, we are operating moto tours in Laos for 5 seasons now and our 2nd in Myanmar.

Many things Rob says are very true. And others less so, without context. First off, from his Facebook:

"Although some problems, one of the best trips we've ever had"

As I was in Burma leading a tour, I did not personally load the bikes on the bus for transport to Pakxe. I did however call every single day of the tour and even after the tour, once I was made aware of the mistake. I called to Fuark, our partner in VTE, from Mandalay to address the problem. He is human, he made a mistake. Another bike was en route.

Yee, their guide, led them to Sekong, the planned destination, on a rented HOnda Dream scooter, checked them in to the hotel, ordered their and food, and set out back to Pakxe at 6-7PM. He arrived at 1AM. The new bike arrived at 6am and he then raced BACK to Sekong to meet the group to begin the next day. A very noble effort, indeed.

In the meantime, I spoke to Yee that evening, of their 2nd day. It turns out, 1 guest had zero off road riding experience, and one could not complete the track or the ride to backtrack, and had to use a tractor. The terrain was discussed in detail, as well they asked for off road adventure on Ho Chi Minh Trail. No mention of one rider with NO experience and none of one with little to none. But Yee said they were still quite happy and smiling. And that they would have to amend the program.

And yes, it is true, one CRM had a bearing go out, in the bottom end. And yes it is true the damage was exasperated by continued driving. But we never asked for any money for that damage from the guests. In a very heated email I did explain that the attempts drive the bike made it worse, but again, never suggested they should pay. These are mechanical items, and to assign blame to the driver would be unfair.

And all of this happened 1 hour from Vientiane. The tours' end.

1 hour.

The other accusations, about the bikes, not true. A clogged fuel filter, on one bike, very possibly could have just clogged with something falling in at a fuel stop, some bad fuel, many possibilities. Hardly a major offense and easily fixed by blowing thru it with your mouth, in this case, Yee's, and going on. It was a 4 day tour and I know Fuark did not install brand new tires. No mirrors, brakes, lights, simply not true.

"The Ride L.A.R.A website promises support vehicles 'can be arranged'. I wish we had arranged - although I'm sure it would have cost on top of the USD1,039 EACH we paid. "

Yes, that is TRUE. And now we are at fault for doing exactly what we advertise, selling tours and the appropriate add ons??? Yes, the truck is $125 per day, inclusive of truck, fuel, driver, and his food & lodging, quite reasonable.

Now I spoke to these guys several times on the phone and via email while in BUrma and once I got home. At the very minimum, I told them, I would refund $200 PLUS the transport of 3500THB for the CRM. In addition to further compensation to be decided.


Once I got home, I spoke to 1 of the Robs about compensation, and again re-stated the above, which he liked, as well as a free tour for 4 days, for everyone, at any time. Just show up to Laos and it's ALL free. Petrol, bikes, hotels, food, everything but the and flight to Laos. He loved it, said it was just what he wanted, and he would fire off an email to the group and CC me.

Well imagine my surprise when the email said I had graciously agreed to a 50% refund ($3000) OR a free 4 day tour. I immediately emailed him asking why he would say that, we NEVER discussed 50% of anything, what gives. Of the 6, a few were happy with that, a few used profanity, and a few were indifferent. But no mention of why the 50% refund offer.

A week later, one Rob emails to say they would take the 50% offer.

I again said I never said that, why would they expect half back on a mostly successful, definitely enjoyable tour?

For umpteenth time I was cussed and cursed and spoken rudely of and to, as well as extorted with threats of Facebook and Tripadvisor if I didn't give them $3000.

I told them good luck and goodbye, among other things and have ended our relationship.

In closing, the issues that they had in the beginning were fixed quickly and professionally. I was in constant contact with them, every day from Myanmar, at great expense, more than 3.50 per minute.

The original route had to be edited due to their groups inability to ride safely on the terrain. Our terms and conditions addresses this quite clearly.

We offered to pay them $200 and 3500THB for a bike broken 1 hour from the final destination. We did not ask 1 cent for the Honda clutch lever/perch with mirror stanchion (65 pound sterling)that was broken and replaced with a 5000LAK China one. No damage charged for the bars bent, the dent in the Pro Circuit chamber, and scratches or damages to the tank etc, as it seems according to Yee, the one that fell the most was riding that CRM.

The $30 paid was for a broken mirror and handguard on the XR250 of Fuark. The one with no mirrors...

We offered to give them a free tour in lieu of everything that happened.

What we would not do is respond to threats of extortion and cursing in exchange for money that was way out of line with the problems they experienced or of the experiences they had in and of themselves.

They responded favorably on their private posts among friends in addition to tipping my staff 6000THB for the tour. Hardly what one would think were actions of guests that thought that somehow they should receive a %50 refund.

Again, I wish them all the best as a group and good luck in future touring.

And yes, Caveat Emptor....do your research....this is our 5th season in Laos and take a look around...this is the first major complaint we've had. Our reputation as a company and mine as an individual speak for themselves. As it has been said on this board before, about 5% just can't be satisfied. We do regret that but take it as a cost of doing business. And continue to be grateful the majority of our guests are highly satisfied and continue to ride with us in other destinations like Burma, Thailand and Cambodia.
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I Just did a tour with Eric, and unfortunatly i hurt my knee early on and had to ride in the vehicle with his offsider Pac (great bloke). They were nothing but helpful and the rest of the guys who kept riding were having a great time, if a rest day was needed we stayed in a relaxing place to recharge. Or drink + rest, do tourist stuff, sleep whatever. I own a few dirtbikes and I do all the maintenance on them so i know a little. Maybe i was just lucky but my KTM 450 exc seemed (I think it was) brand new, best bike i`ve ridden to date. I must admit there were a few of punctures that eric fixed no problem even found some guy to repair a tube in some hut on the side of the road. Anyway im going back in November to have another crack hope i get the same bike :}

cheers Dave.
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I did a tour to Myanmar last year October last year (http://lorrainespence.com/2012/10/) Eric’s tour was one of the highlights of my 6 months trans Asia trip. I wish I could have taken my own bike but since you cannot do I took the opportunity to join an organised tour with Ride Lara. What a GOOD decision the trip was Awesome, Eric is a great guy and a great Guide, in one of the most amazing counties to ride though. Not only do I highly recommend Ride Lara but I highly recommend taking a tour with them in Myanmar or Laos.
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Hi All
Just come back from a 10 day motocycle tour through Laos ,
we selected to go with Ride Lara and our tour guide was a quickly American called Eric
we arrived to find a good quality selection of Honda crf250,s ready to go
We put Eric under pump from day 1 by allowing one of our party to cross examine all his stock of knobbly tyres , in which he proceeded to puncture 3 tubes while changing , Eric in his infinite wisdom took a deep breath and said all is cool let's ride
Accom started average to good and ended brilliantly as for the food started sensationally and got better
lots of bruises, bent bikes and hangovers , Eric for a quirky mad yank is good for a night of Aussie style BS but can match it with the big boys if want to talk politics religion and world affairs

I'm A veteran off all things motocycle tours in Asia and won't judge a tour guide on how well he delivers the expected , but there ability to keep things rolling when the shit hits the fan

we had a lot of rain and washed out roads and tracks , the solutions where plenty and effortless

To sum up ,excellent trip ,good value for money and a first class tour guide

we'll done EZ
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Interesting bit of contrast there! I am not one for the idea tours for the most part in familiar countries (i.e. US, Canada, throughout Europe) but would definitely consider one for countries less traveled like Laos. Seeing Eric chime in puts my mind at ease, too.

A friend of mine is currently in Vietnam with a couple of co-workers doing something at a hospital (he is an operating room technician in Los Angeles, the person who hands the surgeons their operating tools or something like that) and he just posted some photos on Facebook of the New Years celebrations going on, and I commented that I have Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos on my bucket list to ride by bike, and then I came here and saw this thread...it is meant to be, but I am 45 years old with many years before retirement, so will have to wait--unless you do $250 tours including airfare from the US??

I didn't think so....
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Ride Lara, Eric Wasson & "Don"

All,

I have read these posts with interest and unfortunately two friends and I have been recent victims of what can only be described as FRAUD with RIDE LARA.

After months of planning we traveled from Singapore and arrived in Laos to the same overwhelming, deflating disappointment outlined by joeblo in this forum - specifically that nobody was there to greet us, in hand with a rambling email from Eric explaining that Don had absconded with the funds that we paid to Eric's bank account.

Essentially that our tour had been canceled and we would not get any of our money back.

On this point, it will be interesting to understand what amount was paid by anyone else on this forum for the privilege of a tour with RIDE LARA. We paid USD1300 each (3 persons). That is nearly USD4000 that has been effectively stolen by the management of Ride Lara.

One of the many things that riles me about this whole situation is that Eric chose not to tell us about his no show as our tour leader until after we had boarded the plane from Singapore and it was too late to turn back. It seems that joeblo here had the exact same experience. I just don't understand this. If you already have our money and have no intention of showing up to take us on our tour, at least have the courtesy to inform us BEFORE we get on the plane.

Since returning from Laos there has been further money wasted (phone calls to Eric in Denver where he mysteriously has emigrated, apparently overnight - though he overlooked to inform us of this small point until we arrived in Laos); and time spent drafting emails to insurance companies etc. etc. etc.

To this point we have not yet received any of our money back. If anybody has any suggestions about recourse - for instance the whereabouts or contact details for Don - I would be very interested to hear them.

Caveat Emptor indeed.
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On this point, it will be interesting to understand what amount was paid by anyone else on this forum for the privilege of a tour with RIDE LARA. We paid USD1300 each (3 persons). That is nearly USD4000 that has been effectively stolen by the management of Ride Lara.
Each of our group paid USD$2699 each up front. There were 3 of us so that's USD$8097 Eric took us for. Sure he paid for the bikes but they were hire bikes which we found out could be rented direct from the bike shop for USD$40/day. We had them 11 days so the cost to Eric was just USD$1320. That means he walked away with USD$6777. That's a pretty good racket he's got going!

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One of the many things that riles me about this whole situation is that Eric chose not to tell us about his no show as our tour leader until after we had boarded the plane from Singapore and it was too late to turn back. It seems that joeblo here had the exact same experience. I just don't understand this. If you already have our money and have no intention of showing up to take us on our tour, at least have the courtesy to inform us BEFORE we get on the plane.
Yeah, I see a pattern here. It was the same for us, Eric sent his email explaining everything only after he knew we were in the air and on our way. Given that he'd asked someone to step in as a tour guide a week prior to our arrival, not to mention two other tours before ours had been through the same shit, at best this shows piss poor planning and consideration for his clients on his behalf and at worst, it shows cunning and deliberate deceit. Given the similarity between our experiences, I know which I'd put my money on.

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As of the last "completion" of the last tour on 1 March, which the user "JoBloe" is recounting, all tours have been cancelled and refunded.
So why is it Eric that you can't/won't refund us for the components of our trip we paid for but never received and had to fund again out of our own pockets?

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The web site will be killed shortly and as I said before, we are not taking any bookings for any services, period.
It's been a week Eric and the site's still online. It takes just 60 seconds to switch off a website. What's the rationale for it still being online a week after you made that statement?
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Ride Lara, Eric Wasson & "Don"

I have been doing some additional research and it is hard not to conclude that at some point Ride Lara operated a legitimate business but that does not excuse the fact that more recently "the wheels have come off" leading to significant monetary losses to more than one group.

Don Duvall aka "Midnight Mapper" seems to be quite a well known figure in Laos so I am surprised that Eric has not been able to contact him to try and understand where the missing funds have got to.

I have searched for an ombudsman in Laos or a place to file consumer complaints which may provide us an avenue for investigation into malpractice. The link is here: ACCP :: Consumer Redress

I am not clear if this encompasses tourist gripes or is a resource specifically for Lao / ASEAN nationals however will enquire and perhaps they will have a view on where else to register our experience.
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I have searched for an ombudsman in Laos or a place to file consumer complaints which may provide us an avenue for investigation into malpractice. The link is here: ACCP :: Consumer Redress
Looks like a very long shot. Eric's moved lock, stock and barrel back to the US so it would be difficult to get redress. That's not to say I'm going to sit on my hands either.
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Don Duvall aka "Midnight Mapper" seems to be quite a well known figure in Laos so I am surprised that Eric has not been able to contact him to try and understand where the missing funds have got to.
Yeah, he's very well known. And every ex-pat we spoke to who knew him said he was rock solid and a stand-up guy. I haven't met him personally but if verbal references are anything to go by, it would seem out of character for him to be involved in anything dodgy.

Personally, I don't think there was any sinister motives from Don. I think it was a case of Eric not planning his exit from Laos properly, selling his business on a whim without due consideration for how the forward tours were going to be handled and not coming to a formal agreement with the buyer.

Then, when he realized what was going to happen, instead of manning up and dealing with his responsibilities, he stuck his head in the sand and left it to the last minute to tell his clients what was about to happen to their tours. I mean emailing people to tell them their tour is f**ked when you know they are the flight over is pretty bloody piss poor in my books and implies either cowardice or blatant deceit. Especially when you consider this behavior by Eric was repeated.
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Anyone up for redress through legal channels? Possibly all affected and interested parties pooling resources to investigate the likelihood of a successful claim being launched in the US??
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Don Duvall has a web site called Laos GPS Maps Laos GPS Map & The Ho Chi Minh Trail
This may be the only way to contact him. Best of luck trying to get a refund. I can only hope that you booked your own insurance before you traveled, you may also be covered if you booked your international flights with your credit card as some of them have automatic travel insurance.
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Thanks WB. Will try to get in touch w/ Don through that web site. It would be interesting to hear his version of events.

As for insurance, we have found out that it is void once you cross international boundaries, when the trip is deemed to have started - so no luck there.

The money we paid was direct to Eric's bank account. Eric claims that he gave that money to Don who then reneged on his agreement to carry out our tour. So depending what you believe, either Don has the money - who has not come forward to explain himself. Or Eric has still got the money.

The only possible excuse I can think of for Eric is that it sounds like we all booked our holidays around a similar time. In this case it is conceivable that Eric did pay Don forward a lump sum on all of our tours, and was trying to fix the mess right up until the moment we arrived. As we know, he was not successful.

The alternative is that Eric was out of pocket and willfully continued to take bookings that he knew he would not be able to fulfill, in order to recoup some of the losses he incurred through his disagreement with Don.

Either way, the average punter is paying the price for their disastrous business deal. One of them is clearly out of pocket and happy to take our money in order to make back their losses. So one or other of them is definitely not "a stand up guy."

At this point unless one of them comes forward to reimburse or propose an alternative (free tour in Myanmar perhaps)? - we can only draw attention to the problem.
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