Anyone know about Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Croatia?

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Hi,

We did wildcamping all the way down from Croatia to Greece. Dont know if it was legal but it was no problem:

Motorradtour durch Slowenien, Kroatien, Bosnien, Montenegro und Albanien nach Griechenland

and all up the afircan westcoast from south africa to marokko as well but in some places its saver if you ask the oldest man in a local village if you are allowed to pich your tent beside his house. Then you are his guest and nobody will bother you...

Riding the rough west coast through Africa part 3


In germany i see a lot of polish people sleep in there PL cars while they are here to work during summer. I would have done the same...

LG, Tobi

What ever has been said before about camping in Scotland and how it is tolerated and you have free access to go camping, if you do not get the permission of the landowner to camp you are committing an offence under the Trespass Scotland Act of 1865 (yes it is still used), Sec 3 states;

3 Parties lodging in premises or encamping on land, without permission, guilty of an offence.Every person who lodges in any premises, or occupies or encamps on any land, being private property, without the consent and permission of the owner or legal occupier of such premises or land, and every person who encamps or lights a fire on or near any . . . F3 road or enclosed or cultivated land, or in or near any plantation, without the consent and permission of the owner or legal occupier of such road, land, or plantation . . . shall be guilty of an offence punishable as herein-after provided.

Decent campers are asked to move on, drunk idiots with a disposable BBQ burning holes in the grass and leaving litter can be arrested.

So it is best to ask first. Many areas have clamped down such as round Loch Lomond because of the amount of litter and damage done. I would not recommend it in either of the National Parks, though in the Cairngorms, like much of the Highlands you are unlikely to be found if you are sensible.

I have never had any issues camping in Scotland. If possible I have asked and have yet to be turned down. I have been moved on once, but was given a recommendation of somewhere else to go, which we did and had no problems. Once we had a huge spotlight shone on us and then the farmer disappeared. The next day we saw him heading back with his 4x4 with its big spotlight on the roof. He will have found the site totally undisturbed as we even put a broken down gate back in its imprint in the grass when we left.

Wild camping is free and allowed on public land in Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro (I am from Bosnia). Police may get curious about you if they see you and just come to check your papers, but they won't make problems.

Croatia has explicit forbid policy on wild camping and officials can be a real pain in the a**. Tourism is a major economics branch in Croatia and they feel like you robbed them if you do wild camping. Also, in the southern part, they are very afraid of bushfires started by irresponsible campers or backpackers, so open flame in a forest is strictly forbidden.

Having said all that, if you are citizen of western europe and behave nicely, police will be more lenient with you, because Croatia is trying to become part of EU, so they shut one eye for offences commited by tourists from EU .

If any of you travel to Bosnia or Serbia, feel free to contact me if you need any help. My email is:

Hi Svestenik...what about the leftovers of the war in Bosnia, Croatia etc. I will be going through these countries on my way back from Turkey and wonder if it is safe to camp just anywhere in the wild (landmines etc). Cheers, Rob.

Y´all, here´s a stupid question:
Approaching the farmer to ask to stay on his ground for a night - o.k.
But what do you tell the farmer if he asks you where you transport your portable toilet on the bike? I´d imagine farmers hate folks relieving themselves (even using a shovel) on their ground, don´t they?

Another comment on free camping in Germany: Whilst it is illegal, there´s IMHO no substantial risk if you stay out of sight - there´s still lots of next-to-none populated area left in Germany and the cops have other things to do then to check for a couple of bikers who don´t throw litter around and don´t burn a hole in the ground with their instant bbq. In any case I would not expect to be fined (or just a nominal fine, if all goes wrong such as e.g. 20 Euros, not like half your salary in the Netherlands ;-) Pain in the back are probably the dog owners only. One can´t go anywhere in Germany without having a "Come doggy doggy sweet doggy doggy nice poop doggy doggy" drive up with his SUV and walk his dogs at 6 a.m..

Thanks, cheers
Chris

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I think you can make a list of countries where free camping is allowed or not but...
...as long as you're not getting caught or seen it really doesn't matter
...as long as the police that checks you out is corrupted it really doesn't matter
...as long as you attract the wrong people it really doesn't matter

But a list is nice to give you some peace of mind...maybe.
If you have the guts do it and always clean up afterwards.

Sorry for late answer, but better late than never... Haven't seen the question.

Depends on the route you will be taking. There are still some rural and remote areas that have active minefields. Best if you ask locals at the location that you will be sleeping. Or, send me your e-mail, I can send you UN minefield map.

For sure, best way is to ask locals. Mine fields are usually marked but there's no rule. There's plenty of safe and beautiful land here.

This subject seems to arise quite frequently, especially during the "riding season" for Europe.
There is a thread linked below that gives a good review of the issues associated with landmines in that part of the planet:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...-croatia-69589


Regarding the general theme of this thread, I find it confusing - the title is for a list of countries that permit "free camping"; for some this means permitted by law, local or national; for others it probably means tent-camping with the permission of the land owner, gratis; for others it means "sneaking" into a camp location at last light and getting out of there in the morning before being spotted, or causing a runction with the local population. For yet others, it means parking up a vehicle on the side of the highway, or off the highway or somewhere in between such defined land spaces (legal definitions of highways, surprise, surprise, vary around the world).

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Without seeking consent, in Norway you can pitch a tent for two consequtive days (longer in the boonies away from populations) anywhere (both private and public property) as long as:

• You are more than 150 meters away from an occupied house/cabin
• You are not a nuiance to the property owner or other people that use it
• It is not a camp site (business)
• In areas and times where hunting of wild deer is going on
• Not in courtyards, driveways, etc
• Not in gardens/house properties - the area arround the house that would disturb privacy
• Not in farmed fields and other fields used for farming
• Not in planted forrest plots
• Not in industrial areas, public areas, or other areas where you will be a pain in the ass
• Not in smaller fenced in plots or smaller plots within farmed fields

Just use common sense... and leave it as you found it, preferably better. Take more trash with you when you leave than you brought in is a nice gesture.

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In Oz we have this Public Service promo which says "Stop, Revive, Survive".

We even have Driver Reviver stations along major highways where you can get a free coffee and cake from a Rotary (or other charity) caravan.

So - after you have selected a nice, quiet, off road spot, IF the council ranger or police come along and tell you to move, just say to them that you are dead tired, feeling sick and have ridden 10 hours that day, and promise to be gone first thing in the morning... and they usually let you stay.
If you have been drinking alcohol, they can't force you to ride/drive

Another alternative in small country towns is to find out from the local publican who is responsible for the Community Hall, and can he ask them if you could camp one night in the grounds. I've only even been refused once - and most times the caretaker will unlock the outside dunny for me.

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In the real world - the driver reviver stations only operate during major holiday exodus days.
Some shire council areas DO have blanket bans on any form of free camping anywhere within shire boundaries and some DO enforce it.
A ranger can't force you to move whether drunk or just pretending or stubborn, BUT he can and will issue a ticket which in some places reach 500 dollars. Being pissed or tired is your problem, issuing tickets to undesirables is his. However, on the RV forums the question is occasionally asked whether anyone has reports of actual fines being issued and I think the answer has so far always been 'no'. Backpackers in old whizzzzzBANGs and wicked vans are a real problem in some of the more iconic areas and they are the direct reason for more and more areas being closed to responsible self-contained free-campers (or should that be free-loaders?). On the other side of the argument there are RV groups making a lot of headway in getting towns to recognise that RVers can contribute a lot to the economy of their area - but the resulting overnight stay areas are generally for self contained vehicles.

That said, we have overnighted in more than 20 countries, including in the middle of big cities over a period of 7 years full-timing and in countries where is is said to be totally banned and only twice been moved on - from a fishing reserve in Montana by a ranger doing his job in response to a complaint by a nosey local and a carpark in Morocco by a trio of freelance police working for the local RV park.

There are too many variables, both in attitudes of the governments, police, council rangers, locals AND the traveller for a list such as this to be of much use.

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Actually same for Finland (I think this goes to Scandinavia in generally).

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juhhyto, do you live in Finland? I just wondered if your info was from the horses mouth, or whether you'd heard it from someone. I'm travelling to Norway, Sweden and Finland next Summer. I'm clear on the rules for Norway and Sweden, but not so much with Finland.

Anyone else know?