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Tourists killed by gunmen near Gilgit, Pakistan off the KKH
Location - near Fairy Meadows, about 100km from Gilgit
BBC News - Gunmen kill nine tourists in Kashmir
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this is not good news at all, at makes me very nervy, as this type of attack the attackers dress up as armed forces/police. So when you rock up at a checkpoint, or get a knock at your guesthouse door how are you supposed to tell..
RIP to the poor tourists murdered, and for every Pakistani killed in futile conflict at the moment...
I hope they don't close the KKH to tourists.... only time will tell...
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Terrible pity that ISLAMIC terrorism is reaching beautiful hitherto peaceful parts of the earth like this. The local people will be the first to suffer as travelers and tourists alike will choose to go elsewhere.
This is the first time I have heard of such things happening in this beautiful part of Pakistan.
My thoughts go out to the families of those murdered by these monsters.
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there is nothing particularly Islamic about a Taliban terrorist attack, its like saying the Ku Klux Klan represent Christianity,
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at makes me very nervy,..
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Why?
More people get killed on the roads of the UK.
A bus load went down a ravine in Montenegro today during a deluge of rain, but no one has posted that in here, yet.
It's another case of "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" - same as someone who dies in their bed when their chimney collapses and comes crashing through the roof.
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I hope they don't close the KKH to tourists.... only time will tell...
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Yep, that is giving in to those who perpetrate these atrocities in the name of Islam; sometimes in the name of the Sunni branch, sometimes in the name of t'others, but always using the religion of Islam as the excuse/distorted reasoning (lack of).
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This is a travel forum and not the right place to talk about PR.
(Politics,Religion) and keep a religion responsible for terrorism.
Its global terrorism and everywhere..Remember Oslo Utoya Island on 22.July.2012 and dont trust media that much..
Religion is between my heart and my God.We must respect others to be respected for a more peaceful world..
Also getting visas will be more easy and travelling more happy this way!!!!
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no, I've done the KKH, what I mean is that when you are rolling up to a check point you are not sure if they are genuine or not.. whether you get a friendly greeting or a shot in the head.
Not long before I passed through, a group of pilgrims were hauled off a bus by a 'military' checkpoint, and then shot.
At least 20 Shias pulled off bus, shot dead in northern Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Who can you trust?
I can't exactly ask 'are you the real thing or a terrorist'?
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no, I've done the KKH, what I mean is that when you are rolling up to a check point you are not sure if they are genuine or not.. whether you get a friendly greeting or a shot in the head.
Not long before I passed through, a group of pilgrims were hauled off a bus by a 'military' checkpoint, and then shot.
At least 20 Shias pulled off bus, shot dead in northern Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Who can you trust?
I can't exactly ask 'are you the real thing or a terrorist'?
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You confirm my point; you are/were "in or around the wrong place" and who knows how close you have come to being "at the wrong time" as well.
You can only make a judgement based on all the factors, at that specific time and space continuum.
This other thread on the same subject asked about the perpetrators:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...tourists-70963
The group mentioned in your own link claimed responsibility yesterday (I have already forgotten the name attributed to them), along with a separate claim of responsibility from the so-called Pakistani Taliban.
Hereafter, it is a case of yet another day, so there will be little further notice paid to this particular event, except by those who are directly affected.
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On some days, no one!
Not the politicians, not the religious leaders, not the religious zealots, not even your own riding partner, on a really bad day.
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Who to trust?
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no, I've done the KKH, what I mean is that when you are rolling up to a check point you are not sure if they are genuine or not.. whether you get a friendly greeting or a shot in the head.
Not long before I passed through, a group of pilgrims were hauled off a bus by a 'military' checkpoint, and then shot.
At least 20 Shias pulled off bus, shot dead in northern Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Who can you trust?
I can't exactly ask 'are you the real thing or a terrorist'?
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Obviously nobody and why in the world would anyone go to Pakistan and Afganistan today? There are enough oter places to visit in the world not to challenge fate. If you absolutely refuse to stay away, then expect to be shot.
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This is a travel forum and not the right place to talk about PR.
(Politics,Religion) and keep a religion responsible for terrorism.
Its global terrorism and everywhere..Remember Oslo Utoya Island on 22.July.2012 and dont trust media that much..
Religion is between my heart and my God.We must respect others to be respected for a more peaceful world..
Also getting visas will be more easy and travelling more happy this way!!!!
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you're right, this is no place for the discussion of politics or religion. it IS, however, the right place to talk about SAFETY.
it is not about the religion being responsible for terrorism, just a whole mess of fools running around killing people in the name of their "god." unfortunately, the world has seen this before. it may not be what "god" wants. but as long as people keep saying they are killing in the name of "god" that particular religion is going to be blamed.
lastly, the taliban are muslim fanatics and claim that what they are doing is in the name of their "god."
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you're right, this is no place for the discussion of politics or religion. it IS, however, the right place to talk about SAFETY.
it is not about the religion being responsible for terrorism, just a whole mess of fools running around killing people in the name of their "god." unfortunately, the world has seen this before. it may not be what "god" wants. but as long as people keep saying they are killing in the name of "god" that particular religion is going to be blamed.
lastly, the taliban are muslim fanatics and claim that what they are doing is in the name of their "god."
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So you're going to not make this a religious discussion by...er...making it a religious discussion? Well done. Very classy.
Anyway this sort of stuff is always political and to do with territory and power and wealth, and disparities therein. It's never about religion per se
More importantly its usually about incredibly stupid people with no education and few aspirations striking out at the world. Never doubt that the same would not happen anywhere in the world if conditions became bad enough and the people as uneducated and hopeless
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I agree, we should look at safety ,especially if we are being targeted! , its common that keeps us alive  sense
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This is a travel forum and not the right place to talk about PR.
(Politics,Religion)
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I always find this approach to the subject of travel to be very strange: without some modicum of understanding of the local politics/religion (which go hand-in-hand in many parts of the world) then how is one to gain value from travelling? In fact, why bother travelling? Why not do something more useful?
Incidentally, there is rarely any discussion in the HUBB of the motivation for travel; sometimes there is some vague notion of "saving the world" or helping with some specific charity (for the latter there is considerable scepticism within some threads about the motivation of some of these efforts).
What is the value in travel? What is the value of travelling by motorcycle?
OK, those are really big questions! ----- is this a travel forum or "Travellers advisories, safety and security on the road", whether the road be the KKH or some road in Montenegro?
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Why?
More people get killed on the roads of the UK...It's another case of "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" - same as someone who dies in their bed when their chimney collapses and comes crashing through the roof.
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Different strokes for different folks I guess, but while I am perfectly willing to risk my life in some pretty remote places or even the dangerous roads of the UK, I try to avoid areas where the local populace or parts thereof are actively seeking to kill me.
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I try to avoid areas where the local populace or parts thereof are actively seeking to kill me.
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I doubt its the local populace that want kill you.
The attack took place some way off the KKh at or near Nanga Parbat base camp... its a fair hike from the road to there.
Gilgit is a "frontier" town and felt like it in some parts when I was there. At the same time we were befriended by a local guy that took us round the bazaar for the day.
Dassu, that is on the KKH, had a much more sinister air about it. We were staying at the Khyber Lodge Hotel when the Red Mosque incident was taking place in Islamabad. Apart from a few gunshots from/on the roof The Pakistani tourist guys staying there were very amiable and even fed us for a couple of days as supplies were running short due to rock-slide near Pattan that closed the road for a week.
Most people just want to get on with their lives. Only the radicals want to harm you. Its the same everywhere.
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