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Do tell . . . what benefit lubing would provide the O-rings ? Nope. Dirt damages them . . . and lube (other than specific dry lubes) holds dirt.
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I use a Pro-Oiler on my AT since about 50,000km now, and I can tell you for sure that I do have a clean chain even after extensive mud rides. 250ml of cheap engine oil will be sufficient for several thousand km. The oil does lubricate the chain and prevents dirt from sticking on the chain to begin with. The dirt is thrown off the chain; if it´s really dirty terrain, I´ll increase the quantity dropped on the chain and everything´s clean again in a jiffy. Nice side effect is that my DID chains do live 30,000km and more on the AT and Transalp.
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Honda recommended engine oil for my VFR, and that's what all the local mechanics use in Philippines.
I've gotten 25k miles out of a minimally maintained and cleaned chain on a ZX12R, that was still in spec (as were the sprockets) when I replaced it prior to a long trip.
Sprayed with a corrosion inhibitor to prevent rust when I remembered, usually 1000 to 2000 miles.
The ZX can put a little of stress on chains...
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10 Jun 2013
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My my, what an impressive collection of bikes you keep! But how on earth do you find enough time to ride all of them enough to build up any experience of chain wear on them? Or do they just sit in the garage whilst you live out your riding experiences and chain data accumulations via adventure rider forum? ![Whistling](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/whistling.gif)
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True, I know longer due Iron Butt type rides anymore unless absolutely necessary . . . like it may be this summer . . . 1600kms in 24 hours.
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I like to keep moving parts oiled, and seeing as how the o-rings on a drive chain are situated between two moving plates, I find it ideal to keep them oiled. Friction between the o-ring and the plates can only serve to damage the o-ring, reducing it's efficiency in keeping grease in, and dirt out.
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They are, from inside. But perhaps you use some magical form of lubrication that sticks to o-rings . . . but flings off chain bushings and links. Do tell . . .
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Chain maintenance in off-road conditions is a tricky subject. As mentioned previously by somebody above, to some extent a light oil will fling off the chain taking the dirt with it, effectively cleaning the chain. Personally I would oil a chain unless I was planning on riding in a significant amount of sand, or possibly very heavily dry/dusty conditions on gravel or hardpac dirt roads. But probably only the sand (to run a dry chain).
Since you've asserted that lubricating an o-ring chain serves no purpose or advantage at all, could you tell me how you would look after the chain on a bike used predominantly on sealed roads, because it sounds like you're trying to back yourself out of a corner by reiterating your comments but by clarifying them with a 'when off-road' disclaimer. Note the majority of HuBB posters, and 'adventure riders' in general seem to ride in the vast majority on-road, so if you're going prescribe advice suited to riding exclusively off-road and particularly in proper sand, it would be handy to say that.
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You mean like this ?
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I've never lubed an O-ring on a dirt bike or on a bike doing considerable off-road. NEVER.
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Not sure what corner you're imagining . . . lubrication off-road - Nope. Nada. On-road . . . perhaps some dry lube. On-road the chain will almost certainly move faster and over longer periods of time . . . it's not IMPOSSIBLE that some lube between the bushings and sprockets could be beneficial. But I've never done it and have noticed no difference in wear over . . . 20 years and several hundred thousand KMs . . . chain life has improved with chain quality, for me.
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My theory is that when a chain is looked after, the front sprocket will wear quicker than the chain, and once it deteriorates to a certain level it accelerates the wear on on the chain. The next time I'm looking to get high mileage out of a chain I'm going to replace the front sprocket roughly half way through the predicted life of the chain. Front sprockets are cheap. Food for thought? . . .
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Bit off topic here but . . . I'd no idea this was news. Carrying an extra C/S sprocket ? Replacing it at half the interval of the rear sprocket or taking it off and reversing it when possible ?
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Personally I quite like getting 40,000+ miles out of a chain and sprockets, so I think I'll keep oiling my chains with engine oil for now. Like o-rings on a drive chain I also require periodic (okay, frequent) lubrication, so I'd better pop off to the offy for some more beeer before they close.
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Personally I like not turning my countershaft sprockets into paper cutters . . . breaking a chain at speed is terrifying. And even at slow speed could easily destroy the engine cases. Can't imagine the noise your C/S and chain were making . . . but not everyone has a keen sense of the obvious.
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The ZX can put a little of stress on chains...
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Especially if the clutch is abused . . . wheelies, dropped clutches, etc. But overall, notwithstanding your bike's prodigious power and the grip afforded by that monster rear tire . . . it has a cush drive and delivers the power in relatively smooth pulses due to it's 4 cylinder configuration. Thumpers, and to a lesser extent, twins, deliver those pulses between longer intervals and so . . . tend to wear chains inspite of their smaller displacement and lower outputs.
A buddy's ZX10 has yet to wear thru it's first chain at 24,000 miles . . . he's adjusted it once, cleaned it a few times. No lube. That bike lives in Sacramento, CA.
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Especially if the clutch is abused . . . wheelies, dropped clutches, etc. But overall, notwithstanding your bike's prodigious power and the grip afforded by that monster rear tire . . . it has a cush drive and delivers the power in relatively smooth pulses due to it's 4 cylinder configuration. Thumpers, and to a lesser extent, twins, deliver those pulses between longer intervals and so . . . tend to wear chains inspite of their smaller displacement and lower outputs.
A buddy's ZX10 has yet to wear thru it's first chain at 24,000 miles . . . he's adjusted it once, cleaned it a few times. No lube. That bike lives in Sacramento, CA.
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I'm guessing my ZX saw worse conditions, including a few thousand miles of dirt road, and quite a bit of winter riding.
Somewhere on Advrider there are some pictures of it keeping company with several adventure bikes, all on their sides after hitting glare ice on a dirt road during a post Thanksgiving weekend trip around Vermont.
But I hear you about the big power pulse issue. It's not just chains that get affected.
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My theory is that when a chain is looked after, the front sprocket will wear quicker than the chain, and once it deteriorates to a certain level it accelerates the wear on on the chain. The next time I'm looking to get high mileage out of a chain I'm going to replace the front sprocket roughly half way through the predicted life of the chain. Front sprockets are cheap. Food for thought?
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I think that is a reverse reasoning! As far as I know it is the chain that wears out the sprockets, not the other way around. Due to the (wear) stretching of the chain, the fit over the teeth is gone after a certain amount of stretch. Then you get what looks like a saw blade sprockets. If you want to last longer with chains and sprockets, buy two chains and one set sprockets and change the chain every 10K/15K with the other one. In reality this is not practical thought because it is not so easy to press the shackels and I don't want to bring it to the shop every time.
So infact this is actually rubbish info ![Scooter](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/scooter.gif) but technically it is correct. ![Smartass](https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hubb/images/smilies/smartass.gif)
sorry to go a bit of topic...
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