My 500th post! Go me.

My daughter and I will be taking a short road trip to France and Germany soon. It won't be an 'adventure' in the off-road sense, but it might be in several other ways (her first bike trip). I'd like to keep to the legalities for this one.

I know France has a helmet law (not that I wouldn't wear one) and is headlights-on. Also compulsory spare bulb kit on board. I think the compulsory hi-viz thing and restrictions on older bikes have been postponed to 2013, but not sure. I'm guessing the same for Germany. I'll be carrying bulbs and all the usual documents (V5, insurance, MoT).

Anything else I have left out? Thanks for any suggestions.

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The bulb thing is a bit of a hit and miss. As some car's mostly new one's. You can't change the bulb's unless you take of most of the front of the car. Some have sealed beam's so no way can you get at the bulb's. If a bulb's goes tit's up on you. The chance's are you will be able to buy one near by. So I don't carry them never have been asked. I do carry a set of brake pad's. If I've not put on a new set before I leave. A breath alcohol kit. Can buy them in most garage's in France. About 2 euros.
John933

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To buy petrol in Europe. Pull up at station. Wait. Get out a 20 Euro note, then ask someone to fill up the bike. Give person money. Ride away. Simple.

You're right about the high-viz being put off until 2013, or forgotten about now Sarkozy has gone. Breath test kit is a requirement from July but there's a grace period until November during which it's and advisory rather than a fine. One thing that's been law for years but never seems to be applied to visitors is the requirement for four reflective stickers on your helmet.

I always keep the MOT with my passport not with the bike docs. For some reason the V5 and insurance always pass inspection but the MOT receipt isn't understood so causes doubt.

Andy

Two key words here - 'daughter' and 'first'.
One thing missing - how old she is.

I've done a lot of trips with my daughter as pillion, the first when she was about 15. (Although she'd been on the back for local dad's-taxi-trips for years).

To S of France and Spain. Then Portugal on another trip and then getting really out of hand with Moscow, Istanbul and beyond.
On a Ducati and Aprilia.

I'm sure you'll get all the up-to-date road-legal stuff, but there's an aspect that needs close planning if you've not aready got it 110% under control.....
Luggage.

My daughter's a walking clothes-horse/mannequin. Always has been always will.
And I took no account of this on trip No.1. To find she'd packed clothes for everything from daytime to glittering evening balls.
And hair-dryers and heaven knows what else are heavy.....

It was a lot of stress. I couldn't figure out why the bike felt so heavy until I saw, on day 2 or so, what she'd crammed and levered into her share of the panniers. Too late by then, but looking back maybe I should have forced her to jettison a load of it.

Trip No. 2 (hilly parts of Portugal) - she'd found a way of squeezing even more stuff in, ignoring the problems we had on trip No.1

Make sure you've got good control of what gets loaded.

My only consolation - I'm pretty sure I learned a lot about handling an overloaded bike on tricky mountain roads on those trips.
Every cloud and all that......

And travelling with your daughter is g-r-e-a-t.
(Especially when you book into a youth hostel, my daughter doing the talking, and the guy behind the counter says "and this is your boyfriend..."
Never saw her get so angry so quickly!)

Have a good trip.

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I have the bulbs and they pack small, so no problem there. Didn't know about the breath alcohol kit, though. Thanks for the tip. New pads on the front last week, and rears checked and good for another 3k or so. Good point.

Good news about the hi-viz. And funnily enough I have some reflective stickers on the helmet (black, showing up as white). My commute on unlit back roads makes me keen to be seen

I've never had to show any docs while abroad, but I would imagine the MoT is the least obvious to a non-GB official. Insurance and 'carte grise' are pretty universal. Good idea.

Should have said - she's 24 and medium-to-high maintenance. Her only bike experience so far has been a 200-mile all-day run round mid-Wales, which she loved. She's dead keen.

My solution to the luggage problem (which I had foreseen, oh yes): I have a large top-box and some throw-over panniers. One pannier will be for bike stuff (chain lube, spare oil, locks and so on) and one for me. I am going to visit her soon (she's about 100 miles away from me) and I am taking the top-box with me and leaving it there. She can fill it as she pleases but no more than that. Dad will have the final say if it gets to more than 4 tonnes.

I was thinking of using B&Bs but it could be expensive, as I am sure she won't want to share, and the French don't seem to like single rooms. Perhaps YHs could be an alternative. I'm looking forward to the envious glances, as she is petite, blonde and - if I say so myself - really cute. God knows where she got that from.

Thanks to all for your thoughts. Have to say I am getting pretty excited about it.

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living in france at the moment.
the french dont understand the MOT because there is no MOT(controle technique) on motorbikes in france. as for the breath test i've never had or seen one here and i'm a truck driver so would of been supplied with one if it was law.
you DO need to carry a hi-viz vest though. you dont have to wear it but it's if you are broken down at the side of the road it makes you visible. have a nice trip.

I didn't realise the 'carry a vest' rule applied to bikes as well as cars. Makes sense, though, and no hardship to carry a couple.

Supplementary question - how important is it to carry the V5? I have always done this in the past and never needed it. However, I seem to have lost the V5 for this bike. I have time to get a duplicate (25GBP)before I go - is it really essential, or just a 'nice to have'?

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I have not been asked for the V5c while travelling on the continent, but I suggest it would happen if you are involved in an accident or are stopped by the police for any other reason.

All the blue ones are being swopped for a new red one, at no charge to us, so if you lost a blue one then just wait for the new red version to arrive in the mail.

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Dave

Hi,

For Germany you dont need to carry spare bulbs. Bike documents, Insurance and Passport should be ok. For Austria you would need a first aid kit.

Enjoy the black forest, dont miss the Schloss Neuschwanstein wich Disney allways shows at the begining of there films and if you are intresdet in Cars go and visit the Porsche and Mercedes Museum in Stuttgart

Have fun, Tobi

Thanks Tobi. I'll certainly try to visit the Schloss, but the museums may be ruled out on time.

Daughter likes schlosses, but cars not so much. I think she could be getting big on bikes, though.

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Back home, safe and sound, no arrests, no convictions

In the end, I carried bike V5, MoT certificate, insurance and driving licence, passport, spare bulbs (and fuses), a first aid kit and at the last minute I threw in a couple of hi-viz tabards - in case of breakdown rather than to comply with any laws.

The only thing I needed to show was the passport on return to the UK. But I would take it all again, minus the hi-viz, which took up too much room.

Daughter and I had a great time. Thanks to all who responded for your help.

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