European Green card, I have looked into this, but it is no good for driving in the UK to take the vehicle out of the UK, Once on the European contient yes I can put this vehicle in Insurance cover for the road.

dave
The green card insurance I have found with a insurer in Germany Knop Tours, my contact with them (STEFAN) by email, they suggest that it won't cover me for travel in the UK, it is only for the European continent countrys in the situation were the vehicle is imported into the EU from other Countrys, Ie a Australian motor bike, which ias there area of specialist insurance for travels on motor bikes.

So I take it from what I have been told, this would be ok for Europe but not to pick up the vehicle in the UK. I would prefer not to have to pay for two different policys for the same thing.

I'll just have see what my helper can find, and wht it might or might not cover. Uk and EU etc.

Thank you all

Tony, I have already found out from my communication with the DVLA UK that my Australian Driving Licence C class (a vehicle up to 4.5 Ton) won't transfer over to a UK C1 licence (vehicle 3.5 ton to 7.5 ton)

This Ford Transit being a small bus is border line 3.5 ton So it should be classed as a B class licence. I hope.

I am told that it is under 3.5 t.
I really don't need to get stopped for having the wrong type of licence catagory.

anyway I can't just keep talking about it here I will just have to see what I can get and what it will cost $$$ for the insurance MOT and tax etc

Thank you all

warrigal

Road tax is only required when using the vehicle on Public Roads in UK. MOT is also a 'local' requirement.

If you have insurance in any EU member state it must by EU law cover you in all other EU states.


Forget Export. We covered this with you ages ago.

Travelling in Europe you should have the Registration Document (V5C) and proof of insurance but you will not be asked to show anything while moving between EU countries - unless you get stopped by Police for some reason.

It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without MOT.
It is nothing to do with him if you drive it with or without Tax as long as he has notified DVLA of the transfer of Registered Keeper.
These would be your problems, not his.
If the vehicle has Tax and MOT these can be passed over to any new owner - they are 'personal' and specific to the vehicle, not the owner.


Forgive me for being blunt, but I feel you are just going round in circles and not getting to solving anything.

If you are up to buying a vehicle off Ebay half way round the World, you really ought to have known first how to go about it and what you are getting yourself in for. Sadly you did not. But accepting you are where you are (figuratively), a number of people here have been trying to assist you with information and ideas.

I have not read on this thread any wrong bit of advice or bad suggestion to getting out of your difficulty (accepting ignoring some UK regulations) but you seem to want to keep introducing various new wrong stuff you have "heard or been told".
At some point people here will get tired of repeating things.

Huge thread here http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ong-term-39472
try my post number 89 on page 6 . Says it all really about most of your queries.

Although inter-dependant on each other to some extent, I strongly suggest you clearly separate and understand each issue in your own mind and then decide to deal with or ignore each one as you choose - MOT - Tax - Registered Keeper - Insurance - Driving Licence - V5C - using vehicle outside UK.

The only thing that MUST happen is the present Registered Keeper will want to come off the DVLA register - he can only do that by putting someone else on (ignoring scrapping and exporting it himself). Other than that it is all down to you.

The time is near to "either sh1t or get off the pot" as the Americans so quaintly put it.

Good luck.

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What started out as a van has become a Transit (still a van but larger than a car based van) and now a bus and possibly in another weight category?
I am not up on Classes although I thought all transits were below weight limits and could be driven with a car driving licence. In my businesses we had quite a few of them - LWB, extra height, double axles, etc - always the guys only required car licences. We even had Aussie and NZ drivers! Although this was all a few years back.

An exception possibly could be as you now call it a 'small bus'. It may have been registered as a PSV (Public Service Vehicle) instead of a PLG (Private & Light Goods) which may have other requirements. It may also need special Test and Inspection certificates other than the usual MOT for cars and light vans.
Again, I may be a bit out of date with terminology!

(My previous post was written before seeing your one here, but still applies)

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The seller has said it is clasiffied as a PIG, and it is now a light goods vehicle not a BUS, so it should be under 3.5 ton.

even with some help , I still have no quotes for insurnace as yet.

And as I have said before there is no time to archive all this on my arrival in the UK.

So at this point in time only one month away from travel time, I still have no title to the vehicle, Because I have no insurance, policy so title can be transfered.
I still have the problem with the coming MOT inspection April, and just getting away with not getting it done is not a situation I am prepared to take a chance on.

Then there is paying the next tax which I assume is dependant on the MOT inspection.

so uk address.

I will see what my helper can come up with but everwhere I have looked turned and tryed online, they can't accomodate me, to Pay online with credit.

FFS..... SEPARATE THE ISSUES and deal with each in turn.

TAX.
Your opening post said "I have bought a van on ebay in the UK which is soon April 2012 to run out of MOT and tax. from then it needs the inspection get get back in MOT and TAX."

Tax belongs to the vehicle, not the Owner nor the Registered Keeper.
Unless the Seller cancels it for a refund (to get a bigger refund he would have done it 6 months ago is when you said you bought it) it just passes on with the vehicle just as much as does any petrol in the tank.

It would always run out at the end of a month - 30 April if what you say in Post No 1 is correct.

So tax is not a problem as you say you are coming to collect it in a months time. That gives you over 10 weeks (less a day) from now to collect it and get it out of the UK.

Once not on UK Public Roads it does not require TAX (but you should SORN it or declare it permanantly exported - see below)
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Next issue -

MOT.
MOT is identified to the vehicle, not any Owner. The piece of paper should just be handed over with the keys. Nothing else to do.

As above, you say it expires in April. This can be any date in April - we don't know which. Even so, you have a minimum of 6 weeks (less a day) of MOT before it runs out (possibly up to 10weeks less a day) and you are coming in a month's time.

If it runs out near the start of April this is not an immediate problem as you have the Tax. MOT databases are not immediately linked to roadside ANPR checks (yet!) unlike Tax and Insurance. Any penalty would be small and not restrict your journey unless a Police Officer then and there issues you with a Notice declaring the vehicle unsafe.

As with Tax, MOT is only necessary if the vehicle is used on UK Public Roads.
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Next issue-

REGISTERED KEEPER.
If you have an address, as you now say you have, get the seller to -
-complete your name & address on Part 6 of his V5C.
-copy a scan of your signature, or do something like it, in your signature section on Part 8.
-remove Section 10 to keep to give to you.
-send it off to DVLA today.

The self imposed DVLA target for sending a new V5C is 4 weeks so it should be waiting for you when you arrive.

You then have a document that you can use to take the vehicle into practically every other country in the World.
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Next issue-

DVLA.
By end April you will have the vehicle (out of UK), with you as its Registered Keeper and with V5C that will enable your travels elsewhere.

The tax expires and so you should then renew it (if using it on UK Public Roads) or make a SORN declaration (you can do it on-line if you have the V5C with you). That SORN runs out a year later and should be renewed then.

Longer term you will want to get off the Register. You do this by signing are returning Part 11 (Notification of permanent Export) or write telling them you have broken up the vehicle and no longer have it (as described in the very final paragraph on the new style pink V5C).
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Next issue-

DRIVING LICENCE.
As I said before, you are permitted to drive in UK on a Foreign Licence for a good few months - at least 6.
I believe you can drive PLG vehicles up to a declared unladen weight of 3.5 tons on a Car Licence (non automatic).
You check this out.
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Next issue-

INSURANCE.
The link I gave you should be able to sort this out, as can many others. Many on-line insurers, for ease of quick business, do not like anything unusual that requires more thought or effort on their part.

Keep trying and don't alert them to what you see are potential problems. Keep it simple yet correct.
You would have a UK Address and be Owner and Registered Keeper of a UK Registered Vehicle. No real problem other than cost due to lack of driving claims history. It can be done online with some Brokers who even issue Documents and Certificate of Insurance on line.

Any insurance MUST include minimum levels of insurance required by Law throughout EU (plus Norway, Switzerland & little bits more). The Certificate of Insurance will be acceptable proof by all Police there.
If going outside EU there will be facilities at or near the border to purchase local insurance.

This is what you have to organise yourself but outside that -
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I hope this is the end of the thread other than to see a post in April saying "SORTED!".
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To other HUBBers - unless I am glaringly incorrect, don't divert the thread with relatively insignificant detail of little practical consequence.
The guy needs to be pushed into believing, not frightened off.
He also needs to tell the Seller to stop w4nking him about with false info!
Encourage him. I'm exhausted!

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I'm impressed with that multi-quote skill! How off topic is that??

Seriously, I agree - the seller of this van is not helping at all and you, the purchaser, need to be much firmer (a polite word here) with what you want him to do; as Tony says, he is jerking you around or he genuinely has no idea what he is talking about.
I'll say it one more time, because the van has current MOT/RFL he could insure it under his name (at your cost) for, say, a month so you can drive it out of the UK past the cameras.

I totally endorse the idea of getting out of the UK asap; check out ferry routes from Newcastle, NE England, and Hull, also nearish to NE England. It may be that one or more ferry companies are running out of the Firth of Forth (Edinburgh) by then - some do for the summer season.
No one within the EU wants to see your vehicle documents unless you draw attention to yourself.
ps Don't forget to bring that set of Oz plates with you as a plan B.

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Yep - sums it up (although I know you meant to write PLG). Have just dropped back in on this thread after a few days away - some very entertaining exchanges and peevish posts since I dropped in my 2-pennoth.

As was previously said - there are plenty of ppl driving around the UK with licences from elsewhere and I am sure they aren't ALL illegal despite what the Daily Fail would like us to believe, so it must be possible to get 3rd party UK insurance (which WILL give you 3rd party cover elsewhere in the EU - end of) without a UK driving licence.

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Hi folks
I'm afraid WARRIGAL 1 is getting his nickers in a knot with all this info (all good by the way)
He seems to have a knack for answering questions that aren't asked.
I've suggested he leaves all the paperwork to me.
I've done this sort of thing before

With a bit of help from me and fellow HUBBERs we will get him on his way.
I supose that's what the HUBB is all about.

Rory

Maybe this helps with the insurance issue?
eCar - Short Term Policy
(I notice that no-one has mentioned expensive UK insurance will be if he has to take out a years policy).

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I did say in Post 36 above the possible high cost.
I was assuming once he has found and bought insurance it would be for a year and on/if finally leaving the EU, would cancel and get a refund for the unexpired period.

I saw short term insurance as an added complication for him to cope with!

It is also very expensive on comparable cost per day and only for up to 28 days - he is indicating wanting cover while going about the EU, presumably for a long time.


There are other providers of 'short term car insurance' (enter that on Google UK).
When taking my UK registered car into Finland or Latvia for very short trips (I have a local Russian insurance policy here but that does not cover use outside of Russia) I use
https://www.tempcover.com/Short-term-car-insurance.aspx

It cost me about £20 per day compared with an annual premium of about £400 back in UK for me in the same car.

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The Biggest problem here is this belief in The UK or EU Driving Licence perception.

I have contacted many Insurance Companys in GB now, and ultimately there is the Same, response, You Must has a UK or EU Driving Licence, and there response to me on this was, When you are prepared to comply with this then please contact us back.

So I have someone that is prepare to provide a GB address, but this is just not enough, for insurance perposes.

I have tryed to get a uk work visa for residence, after paying $1300 Australian dollars for this. I am just TOLD by the UK , No you can't get a visa becuse I am too Old and I don't have a university education.

So I have no Legal Residence

Without a UK or EU Driving Licence, I cna;t get insurance to DRIVE

So unless someone cn provide a insurance company that doesn't have this expectation, ther is nothing more I can do.

I cannot get a UK or EU licence.

Warrigal, I am sure you are a charming and entertaining guy, kind to kids, parents and animals - but you really do stretch me to the limits of human tolerance ....

As Rory suggested "too much information" is your biggest problem.

Stop looking for problems! I said "Keep it simple yet correct"


Apply a bit on Lord Admiral Horatio Nelson's technique!
If they taught you about him at school.

I am telling you you can drive in UK and EU on your Licence - check it out on DirectGov.

Once you accept that you can then just answer 'Yes' to the question if you have a Licence to drive in UK/EU. You do!!!!! It is just not a UK one.

BE FLEXIBLE

Better still, just PM Rory (whom I have never met or communicated with) and trust him completely - I would in your shoes. As he said HUBB is about helping each other. And have I tried...?
[Dear Lord, protect me from myself if ever I meet Warrigal! ]

Better to stay out of Russia - it is a very small country compared with yours!

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I see what you were saying Tony!!
Over to you Rory.

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