Hello guys!,

I need your experienced advice.

I had a lifetime amazing trip from colombia to brazil with 180cc bike.

In few days i will arrive to sao paulo.

It seems that no body interested buying my bike (i posted at selling hub),
And my flight exactley in 3 weeks out from sao paulo.
I tryed as well to sell in all paraguay, no body interested. No people, no shops, nada.

It's meen im in very sensitive situation, because i cant leave my bike in brazil, its illegal to import used bike, and the immigration will screw me really hard at the airport, because my paper immigrarion i got mentioned i had entered by land with the motorcycle.

so as i see i have 3 options and everything will pass through customs any way:

1. Find other tourist in rio or sao, go to aduana and transfer the temporary import on his name, he pays me for bike, contract in lawyer for title and salude.

2. Sell the motorcycle to parts, which will reduced the price for nothing. Go to aduana and report motorcycle has serious engine failure, and i abondaned the bike for parts in mechanic shop.

3. Give the motorcycle for free to aduana, which they will be very happy. There is lot of there stations on the highways, and cancel the temporary permission. This is last sad resort.

If i missed anything, please assist me with your advice.

Mabye you know sombody that know somebody.

Thanks,

Sky.

It is wonderful to read that you have had 'a lifetime amazing trip''.
How about you go find someone who could never even dream of such a journey and who struggles daily? - then sell him or her your bike for a single dollarl? The customs people may even help you do this with their blessing?
Maybe with your motorcycle this person could turn it into a work opportunity which may improve their life.
A simple way to give back to the Universe with a win-win situation but it requires you to reach out to create that spark.

Bertrand, that's the second time in as many days you've suggested people give away their bikes for nothing. You may be in a position to be so free with your own money, but not everyone else is.

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Hi Sky,


I lived in Brazil (Rio) for about a year and a half. The red tape in Brazil is beyond insane. Even as Expats, buying a bike and getting it registered, was so hard, I nearly lost the will to live!


I think your best bet is to contact the HU communities and see with the locals if there is a away to either sell / transfer the title of the bike to someone else or what else could be done.
The bikers in Brazil are extremely helpful. I am sure if there is a way, they will help you.
They have the local knowledge. Good luck.

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You mention the idea of 'wrecking' the bike, and selling for parts.
I've read here of other folks doing the same.


You won't get much money but you'll get something, and the paperwork will be sorted.

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Silly British (??) expression - "Needs Must" probably applies, because unless the OP gets it sorted out either by going cap in hand to Policia Federale to see if they will add it to the crusher at the highway post I passed yesterday that had a big pile of blocks made out of crushed motos OR find a foreign buyer, contact a legal type to get whatever paperwork, poders or whatever all sorted out to the satisfaction of customs which may not be possible anyway. Having a passport endorsement stops the usual - poder for the new owner while the old owner flies home - scheme

If it comes to the point where the choice is to abandon it in such a way that his passport endorsement is cleared, or get detained at the airport for illegal actions and forfeit an expensive airfare that costs double what the bike is realistically worth, then the choice is pretty easy to make. In that case I would ride down into Uruguay, dispose of the bike in a sensible way thereby clearing your Brazil TIP and passport, then catching a bus back to SaoPaulo. Obviously it is irresponsible to break a countries laws but the alternatives may just not be possible. Rock and a hard place.

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So will you not be able to leave by air when you arrived by moto in Brasil?

What if you were in an emergency? What if one of your nearest family members were really ill and in hospital? What if you self needed to go home for medical treatment? What if you just needed to go home for your sisters wedding or similar? And come back inntwo weeks, wouldnt that be allowed?

Im thinking about leaving my bike somewhere on the eastside of south-America for a while later this year and go by to my home place in Europe and take care of a few things and then return 2-3 months later. I was thinking Argentina, Brasil or Uruguay. Brasil would be the best as flights are very much cheaper and shorter from Sao Paulo or Rio than for example Buenos Aires or Montevideo, but if I aint allowed to leave while the country when I entered by a vehicle - I cant do this from Brasil...

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Almost certain you can fly out of Argentina or Uruguay without problems (as long as you don't ak if it is OK) and both countries (usually but not always) have very long TIP periods as well. We have left vehicles in Argentina twice for close to 8 months each time.

We entered Brazil at a post that wasn't issuing TIPs even after official issue resumed, so we have no paperwork and so no endorsement on our passports, so we flew out and back in a year later without hassles.

Where the hassles might happen to us is trying to get out after the vehicle has been sitting in Brasilia for 12 months but that is a story still to unfold.

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In the past I have flown out of several countries while my bike remained there. Are the specific bike details (plate, chassis number etc ) actually written in your passport or only on the tvip (customs) document?

Some countries also have a picture of a car on the land border immigration entry stamp and an aeroplane at an airport immigration desk. So in the case of a car stamp you could have walked / used a car/ bike /bus / truck.

The person is connected to the immigration database (paper or networked computer ). The vehicle to the customs database. Some Latin American borders also have a branch of the police (to justify the volume of uniformed types on the national payroll? )

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Nowadays, given the high level of computerisation, and partial integration of customs and immigration systems there is no guarantee that if there is no written endorsement on your passport then you are free and clear to leave without your vehicle.

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Unless there is something specific written in the OP's passport that it's forbidden to fly out of Brazil while the vehicle is still in the country, if it were me, I would just rock up at the airport. Medical emergencies and family events (as mentioned above ) could be offered if necessary.

My opinion is based on travelling across multiple South American land borders and flying into and out of Brazil within the past 18 months. However, opinions are like holes in your bottom ... Do what you think fit.

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I dont think theres any law that says youre not allowed to leave a country unless you bring with you the vehicle you brought in with you. I have never heard of anyone that had been denied leaving a country just because they arrived into the country with a foreign vehicle. Have anyone else heard or know about persons who really and truly have been denied leaving a country for this reason?

I flew out of Chile while my norwegian plated bike was still in the country and I was worried as it was mentioned on the paper slip you get on arrival in Chile and have to return when leaving the country. But it was never any problem. The Immigration dont even look at those slips, they just collect them in huge amounts when people bords their airplanes and passes through immigration.

I was also very worried 1,5 years ago when I planned to leave Australia while my bike (still norwegian plated) stored away for a while and fly home for christmas. Several people said this would be illegal and that I was to be stopped at the airport. I even got pms about "secret" ways of doing this without being spotted. I decided this was just to stupid so I sent a mail to Australian customs and asked for advice. And they replied me and said of course you can leave your vehicle while leaving the country for a while. They only wanted a mail with where the vehicle would be stored and when I was to leave and when I was to be back. And then another mail when I was back so that had all relevant info.
So that was easy peacy - the australian customs even sent me a mail stating that: "You have now fulfileld all requirements from us while leaving your vehicle behind in the country for a while, have a nice trip and welcome back!"
Or something like that, it was quite hilariou actually...

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