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Hi All,

I am a South African. I have search the HU and I believe it is near impossible to purchase a new Ural in Russia, registering it there and riding it to South Africa. My inquiry to IMZ was referred to a German dealer who said he could not help me. The factory in Irbit does no EXW sales.

Can any person advise me as a way for a non-resident to register a vehicle in Russia or get a temporary registration document. What is the VAT situation? Is there a dealer in Ekaterinburg?

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I think it's worth remembering that the factory is geared for export sales pretty much entirely. Nobody in Russia wants a brand-new Ural when they could get an Africa Twin or KTM 1090 for the same money.

You could buy a Ural in Germany, put it on German export plates (valid for up to 12 months) and ride it back.

FWIW there is a Ural dealer here in Estonia, where a non-resident can register a bike easily: http://ural.ee/hinnad-ja-varustus/hinnakiri/

And here is the main Ural dealer in Moscow: http://750cc.ru/kontaktnaya-informatsiya.php You can email them (or phone them) and ask about registering as a nonresident.
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Hi Etienne,
Antyx is right regarding the registration of a bike in Germany. Quite easy if you need a so-called export rego.
There is a dealer for Ural bikes near Munich, so I could assist you if you need any help around here.


I'll try to get a price for both with and without side-car, whichever you prefer.


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Apparently they are only sold with sidecar. The price range is from 14,500 € for the basic version up to 16,500 € for the to version with sidecar drive.


Here is the website of IWAN Bikes near Munich:
https://www.ural.cc/modelle?lang=en


Here is a price list from 2018:
http://www.motcom.de/files/Preisuebe...aeder-2019.pdf
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You cannot buy a motorcycle in Russia unless you are registered on a residential address.

Just bought a bike there in July on a friend's name. So he is the owner. Whenever I ride the bike I have to carry a written permission from him.

Insurance however is not a problem and not expensive.
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You could buy a Ural in Germany, put it on German export plates (valid for up to 12 months) and ride it back.

FWIW there is a Ural dealer here in Estonia, where a non-resident can register a bike easily.
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Can you provide more information on this? I was unable to register a EU- purchased Honda in Germany or Lithuania because I was not registered as a “non-citizen resident.” Had to ride with “letter of permission” from last owner and all papers in his name. Can I register this bike in Estonia without being an official resident with an address and a bank account and a government number?
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Can I register this bike in Estonia without being an official resident with an address and a bank account and a government number?
Yes you can. I have done this with a couple of Israeli guys who came in for less than a week, bought their bikes, registered in their names, and crossed the border into Russia.

But you need a local resident to put as an Authorized User in your registration. It's not a huge deal, but on the other hand, I don't really want to become HUBB's personal dumping ground of bike documents.
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Just bought a bike there in July on a friend's name. So he is the owner. Whenever I ride the bike I have to carry a written permission from him.
That works, as long as you don't plan to cross any borders. It's generally not possible to cross borders with a vehicle that is not in your name on the title deeds, even with "written permission" from the owner.
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That works, as long as you don't plan to cross any borders. It's generally not possible to cross borders with a vehicle that is not in your name on the title deeds, even with "written permission" from the owner.
Not entirely true / depends on the type of written permission. Think of cars that you bought with financing/leasing. The owner on the title is the bank, and you are the permitted user of the vehicle.

Usually the name of a permitted user goes on the registration in a special section. If the country allows a non-resident to be put on the registration as a permitted user, then why not?

The other practical aspect is that within the Schengen area at least, it's unlikely that a police officer would even check the registration/ownership - and they would generally accept a written permission form, especially a notarized one. (Think of a truck driver going across Europe - he is not on the registration certificate of every truck that belongs to his employer.)

So yeah, in practice having a written permission from the owner will be enough to ride around Europe.
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I have ridden all over Europe and the Balkans with very little question or difficulty witb the bike being in some one else's name as long as I could prove insurance and had my license to drive and my passport. On the other hand, going to Russia and central Asia may be a very different story. All of the options I have looked in to, for which I might be eligible (dual citizenship, temporary residence, etc.) seem peculiarly protracted in terms of length of time it seems to take these EU nations to process paperwork. "Yes, you must go to the 5th floor for this signature, but Herr Schlucklumpfater is on holiday until next Christmas. Can younreturn next year?" A rentsl in India may be my best option.
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