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Come on JamesCo......and Co. No room for a smile!
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"It cuts down on repeat offenders. These are wild dogs and feral children. They attack motorcyclists. People DIE. Or don't you get that?"
I agree that people DIE because nobody is interested to do anything to stop it.
3 years ago when I was cycling through southern Romania I was attaked by about 10 dogs; fortunately a car stopped and started to drive over the dogs, so I could escape. If this helpful driver hasn't stopped, probably I would have ended in a hospital.
Similar is with the stone (or rock) throwing children.
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Yep, dogs in Romania can be quite aggressive. But dogs aren't children right?
I must have driven something like 45.000 km's trough Africa. On those 45.000 km's it occured 1 time that a child trew a lump of earth and hit the car.
It occured one time that a kid had the intention to throw a stone, and when he saw that I saw him he wend really small and quickly dissapeared out of the picture.
Stopping to ask for the road, and going slowly and waving and smiling and having contact and let that kid ride on the back of your truck all work pretty well if you ask me. And passing a village this way, you'll feel happy and relaxed because of all the smiles and friendly people you've seen. I don't really know how all you guy's ride trough the villages, but reading above it seems like every village is a hostile environment where you have to ditch stones and chase kids and better ride trough as fast as possible. Must be rather stressfull.
Makes me think of hiking in Romania and having to deal with an aggressive crowd of dogs the sixt time that day. Really wasn't fun!
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Jackson Hole, been there, nice hills.
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Think some of the more paranoid travellers amongst you could do with one of these, Just put and armoured shelter on the back and any war zones your playground????
http://www.militarytrucks.man-mn.com...moured_SX_.jsp
And just incase everyone thinks that its outside Europe that's DANGEROUS, had my truck broke in to just before Christmas in Spain and friend of mine had motorhome stoned badly in Portugal while parked on beach
Shit happens!!!
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yep, I'll have one of those!! I used to live between moss side and Rusholm in Manchester, I laugh in the face of stone throwing kids!!
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This are the ideal vehicles for travelling overland, especially in the Sahara. You can ever choose not to stop, if the police catches you while speeding 
Yes, Europe is also a dangerous place. Where in Spain did they rob you?
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Originally posted by qwer1234:
Hi,
I have been to Morocco about 2 monyhs ago and I met several children which were throwing stones at my car when driving from Zagora to Mhamid. I saw several cars with damaged windows because of this.
Where else is this a problem?
How is the Atlantic Route and sub-saharan Africa?
I also found some nasty children which were holding a rope waiting at both sides of the road; fortunately it was a radio cassete band and broke as my car passed.
How do you deal with this nasty children when on a bike?
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Hi qweer1234
The answer is surely to throw children at the stones......?
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Originally posted by Flying Gringo:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR><font face="" size="2">Originally posted by Robbert:
Which problem?
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Dogs and feral children attacking motorcyclists. Tell me how to put an end to it. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey Gringo,
I dont know too much about the americas, but in Africa there's no problem with dogs (too hot, too lazy), or feral children.
And I do believe that if there is a problem, than it’s at least partly on our side, and has a lot to do with how we interact with their world (very often very anonymous).
Those kids are throwing stones to cars and motorcycles, not to people, and that’s where I believe is the solution if you have a problem (that is with village kids, I have no experience with feral children). Not saying that there won’t be incidents, but an incident is not a problem is it?
Oh, and maybe there are situations where you need aggression or violence to get out in one piece, but then you really ended up in the wrong place, and you shouldn’t go to such places intentionally.
At least that's my idea. Different people, different ideas right.
Enjoy the road!
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Robbert, I just want to ask you: have you ever been to Africa (I am speaking about southern Morocco and also the Sahara)?
You say, childern are throwing stones at cars and bikes (also at cyclists), not at people...
And what about the one who is riding the bike?
Maybe in central Africa dogs are really not a problem, but in the north they are.
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When you see children SLOW DOWN....and risk the stone throwing...In fact I think you are less likly the have stones thown if the drive very very slowly through a village, they think you will stop and give chase.....
Reason I say this......I ran over a child last year in the Riff....Not my fault, he ran out from a shop without looking. I was going slow but......Huge Unimog v Small child.....no contest.
Not making light of the personal side but the massive paperwork, delay, lock-up and near linching and threats.....and then the endless paperwork when you do get home......say no more
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Glad you got one of the little s---s! Well done! Hope your Unimog was OK...
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Originally Posted by Robbert
Dogs and feral children attacking motorcyclists. Tell me how to put an end to it. [/B]</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Hey Gringo,
I dont know too much about the americas, but in Africa there's no problem with dogs (too hot, too lazy), or feral children.
And I do believe that if there is a problem, than it’s at least partly on our side, and has a lot to do with how we interact with their world (very often very anonymous).
Those kids are throwing stones to cars and motorcycles, not to people, and that’s where I believe is the solution if you have a problem (that is with village kids, I have no experience with feral children). Not saying that there won’t be incidents, but an incident is not a problem is it?
Oh, and maybe there are situations where you need aggression or violence to get out in one piece, but then you really ended up in the wrong place, and you shouldn’t go to such places intentionally.
At least that's my idea. Different people, different ideas right.
Enjoy the road!
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Well Robbert, your ideas are certainly different as you say. You're saying that getting stoned by idiots is our fault....that being attacked is not a problem....are you serious or unwell?
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Hi Denis,
Seems you're getting up to cruising speed...
I've been traveling in Tunesia, Algeria, Morocco, Mauritania several times. I've done more km's there then most people ride in a year. One kid threw one cloth of earth at the rear window once (I was riding in the passenger seat). That's maybe something like a stone every 100 days, which I personally don't see as a 'problem' when 'adventure' traveling in remote areas.
On the other side, it seems that different people had different experiences. And I'm tempted to believe this has a lot to do with how you stand in that other part of the world.
I've seen enough typical western "I'm untouchable in Africa cause I have the money and my govt will make fuss if something happens to me" style of arrogance. Maybe this has something to do with it?
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