Thanks for posting this. Very encouraging for trying it without the Carnet racket.

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It would sure make it easier for me! What about the 800% duty in Egypt?

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Hi Paul

If you find yourself traveling through Lusaka, Zambia and need spot for the night give me a shout. I would be glad to help in any way. Good luck wit the planning.

Cheers
John

Visited the cost calculator at CAA- If I do a carnet without Egypt on the bill, it costs me $1500 USD rather than having to tie up 5k in a bond that I may need with Egypt on the bill. Otherwise, going no carnet is very tempting.

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Hi Everyone,
We were planning on getting the carnet but leaving Egypt off as it seems you can pay on the border, 2000 euros, which you get back when you exit the country. However, I too am very tempted to do the whole route without one after reading the link.
We are planning on leaving the UK around the 6th September and taking a slow ride through Europe with a bit of sightseeing, and catching the ferry accross from Spain to Morocco on Sat 5th October.

The only thing I don't like about leaving Egypt off the Carnet is the prospect of leaving 2K at one border in the hope of getting it returned on the other side. Wondering if others have heard more reports of risks or success doing this..

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Hi, Guys.

I noticed you will leave England in August, I thought that would be October, but I guess that would be the date of arriving in Morocco.
That would bring two small problems for me:

First that it'll cost me one month unpayed leave more than I planned, now fortunately that's not your problem

But secondly that leaves a very small window for me, for someone who only had his first vaccine for hepatitis A+B, and nothing else. (like me).

My only experience with over-landing is my last year trip to Norway, with a mate of mine, I was leaving with 90% of the trip planned. (how much planning would you need for just a 2 week trip to Norway). So I think I need some help and if possible someone to meet, and talk things through.
So if anyone in this thread is in England, Belgium, France, Germany or Luxembourg and is wanting to meet and plan things through, I would be glad. (Maybe Paul as I assumed your in England and have all your planning done, {or of course someone ells how is willing to} so I hope to learn a lot from you, I can come over for a weekend).

And another question: how old are you guys? I already know that Monton is above 60 (I really like it that retired people (forgive me ) are still doing these kind of things). But the no off-road thing is a little bothering me, because I love off-road (not saying I'm great at it) and I guess it will take you to a lot more beautiful places than the tarmac does, so maybe we can work some easy piste somewhere. And the fact that I am only 22 on date of departure, I do like getting along with older people a lot,(no offense) but maybe, someone who is a little more closer to my age, maybe is more willing to go little off-road tracks and stuff like that?

Kind regards,

Jeroen

Hi Jeroen,

I hope to leave London heading across France Sept 29 or 30.

I'm 37, living in California.

I ride offroad but I'm crap at it and fall off lots.

Hardly have anything planned other than pointing the bike south and trying not to fall off.

Gary

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Hi, Gary.

Sorry, I mean'd September in stead of August.

Great! I thought Paul said leaving the beginning of September, but a month from England to Southern Spain, seems a little long to me.

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kind regards.

Jeroen

I'm riding my bike across Russia/Asia first, starting in Vladivostok, and will probably get to Europe at the end of August. However, I'm not in a hurry and can certainly spend another few weeks in the Stan's, Turkey and so on.

I'm 34, and like Gary am often staring down at my bike having dropped it in a puddle or pile of sand. That said, I prefer the dirt to the Tarmac and should have 10k plus miles of offroad experience by the time I show up.

My current plan: fret about carnets for another few months, debate malaria tablet choices and then just rock up in Morocco looking haggard from the past 25k miles.

South seems good.

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Hello at all,

i´ll start end of september from germany with my new tenere, will to reach maroc one week later and then drive down up to capetown. i have time for 4 month and i´m also 37 years old. in the year 2009, i drove over asia down the eastcoast to capetown once before ...

so long

thomas

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I am will probably go sans carnet.
I will be 67 soon.
Even though I probably have the dubious distinction of the most off road (25+ times in 1 day!), I much prefer pavement. I can't stand up on the balls of my feet because I'm missing a foot and, while I was a sanctioned road racer, I unfortunately didn't start off road. I agree that beautiful, unspoiled things await off road. If it's not too radical, and y'all will at least wait up for me periodically, then I'm in. Anyone have medical training ;-)

Anyone have an idea of how much off road we have no choice about taking? If the majority want to do a lot of off road, then I need to know if anyone will join me on a mostly-pavement route. I've ridden 160k in last 4 years; 95% solo, but I won't do West Africa alone.
If everything comes together for me, I fly to Lithuania inn June and expect to be in Morocco in early October.

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Hi Motomon

I think we can find out on the way if we can take some easy piste, we can first discus this, and as long as you can stay seated on your bike, and don't have to stand up...?

If really necessary we can split up for a day-ride or something, but riding to much off-road is also boring (and especially trying).

I guess we can work it out on the way.

Kind regards,

Jeroen.

@bevor and motomon : lets try us, to go together the main part ...
i´m a little bit flexible for the start time and i also dont want go alone ... the age can´t be a important criterion - example : in my last trip in the year 2010 over the afrcia east route, we meet some guys the also were 65+ and the are a bit tougher than a lot of young guys ... and experience is also very important fact.

cheers from dresden

thomas

I can stand, but it's more tiring without the shock absorber of a forefoot. I'm lucky to have a heel, which I use to shift. I wish I could change my DR to GP shifting, as is easily done with sport bikes.
So, sounds like several (3 DRs?) are planning on a rendezvous in Tangier around the first week in October.
Paul, since you started this, have you researched a possible route?
I need to start learning more about the regions/countries/cultures. First for me though is eastern & southern Europe this summer. My only preference is to minimize exposure to large urban areas.
Chris, potential member of “Moto Afrique"

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