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Carnet from ADAC Germany for US registered bike?
Anyone done this? I can't see anything specifically about it on their site or in the application.
http://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/Carnet%2...isch_18337.pdf
I'm on a US bike on an Australian passport. Canada issues carnets for US bikes, Australia won't issue a carnet unless the bike is Australian (owner doesn't matter...). Canada are bloody expensive, ADAC is looking like the best bet if they will issue to me.
I'm in Brazil at present.
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Originally Posted by dcstrom
Anyone done this? I can't see anything specifically about it on their site or in the application.
http://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/Carnet%2...isch_18337.pdf
I'm on a US bike on an Australian passport. Canada issues carnets for US bikes, Australia won't issue a carnet unless the bike is Australian (owner doesn't matter...). Canada are bloody expensive, ADAC is looking like the best bet if they will issue to me.
I'm in Brazil at present.
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Trevor,
Very unlikely that ADAC will issue you a Carnet.
ADAC has been approving CdP applications from non-German plated vehicle owners only in unusual owner circumstances, where national auto club of
that registration agrees.
Other riders w/ non-German plates have tried, because ADAC tends to be
less expensive than other national auto clubs (e.g. UK's RAC).
You will very likely have to bite the bullet and pay Canadian CAA fees for USA-registered vehicle.
Of course, be sure that your routing/ itinerary really requires a Carnet.
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Thanks - I wish there was somewhere to find the "rules" for issuing Carnet, the organizations seem to make it up as they go along?
For example, who or what dictates that US registered vehicles, given that there is no US organization issuing carnet, must use the Canadian CAA?
AAA Australia says they will only issue for Australian vehicles, as a matter of policy. Fair enough if it's the policy, but it doesn't sound like there is anyone FORCING them to only issue for Oz vehicles, it's just what they choose to do. Maybe they could make an exception for an Australian citizen, when the bike will end up in Australia? Probably not...
Will make some enquiries with ADAC. I think my circumstances are a bit unusual, so maybe they will acede...
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Trevor,
Very unlikely that ADAC will issue you a Carnet.
ADAC has been approving CdP applications from non-German plated vehicle owners only in unusual owner circumstances, where national auto club of
that registration agrees.
Other riders w/ non-German plates have tried, because ADAC tends to be
less expensive than other national auto clubs (e.g. UK's RAC).
You will very likely have to bite the bullet and pay Canadian CAA fees for USA-registered vehicle.
Of course, be sure that your routing/ itinerary really requires a Carnet.
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Trevor:
I'm not sure where you plan on riding once you get to Europe, but, are you aware that no carnet is needed for an American registered moto within the European Community? I think you will only need a carnet if you plan to go very, very far east (into places that end with '-stan'"). Certainly not for the EU, Turkey, or Ukraine, that I know from personal experience with my Canadian motorcycle.
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Redundant regulation
Sitting here in my lounge room, thinking about future motorbike trips, our new Australian prime minister pops up on TV sprouting words of wisdom about reducing regulation. Well, getting rid of the carnet would be a good start. I've just sent him an e-mail, with no expectations.
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Australian prime minister pops up on TV sprouting words of wisdom and reducing regulation.
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Words of wisdom LMFAO! I'd bet the agates reducing regulation wont happen either!
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ADAC is looking like the best bet if they will issue to me.
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Maybe try asking from ADAC?
I did that, and the answer from them was negative.... but back then (almost 7 yrs ago) the AA in Finland still issued carnets.
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Thanks Michael - yes, ridden in Europe before and know I don't need a carnet there. I have a plan A and Plan B - from Buenos Aires to Europe and keep heading east (needing a carnet once I get to Iran) or Buenos Aires to Africa and then north and east (again, needing a carnet).
I think actually Africa is my preference but that means getting a carnet before I leave here. If I go to Europe I could get one there - at the ADAC office in Munich for example.
Checking with them now...
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Trevor:
I'm not sure where you plan on riding once you get to Europe, but, are you aware that no carnet is needed for an American registered moto within the European Community? I think you will only need a carnet if you plan to go very, very far east (into places that end with '-stan'"). Certainly not for the EU, Turkey, or Ukraine, that I know from personal experience with my Canadian motorcycle.
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Originally Posted by dcstrom
Thanks - I wish there was somewhere to find the "rules" for issuing Carnet, the organizations seem to make it up as they go along?
For example, who or what dictates that US registered vehicles, given that there is no US organization issuing carnet, must use the Canadian CAA?
AAA Australia says they will only issue for Australian vehicles, as a matter of policy. Fair enough if it's the policy, but it doesn't sound like there is anyone FORCING them to only issue for Oz vehicles, it's just what they choose to do. Maybe they could make an exception for an Australian citizen, when the bike will end up in Australia? Probably not...
Will make some enquiries with ADAC. I think my circumstances are a bit unusual, so maybe they will acede...
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"For example, who or what dictates that US registered vehicles, given that there is no US organization issuing carnet, must use the Canadian CAA?"
By agreement/ "dictate" between AIT (the international org that regulates Carnets) and CAA.
The international Customs treaty that underlies the Carnet system, and the "rules" issued by AIT/ jointly agreed to by all participating national auto clubs
who are the only organizations recognized under treaty to issue Carnets....all say that the national auto club(s) can only issue CdP for vehicles registered in that country...unless a particular country's auto club does not issue CdP...or
in "unusual" circumstances by agreement between AIT and particular national auto clubs.
The CdP "system" may be outdated and stupid in many ways, but like many
legacy systems, it still works to some of our benefit for vehicle travelers going where CdP is still required. Also like many legacy systems, it spawns its own perpetuation and bureaucratic self-interest by some national auto clubs. Each national auto club has to create an administrative capability to issue & monitor CdP, which costs them staffing + associated insurance/ risk costs that can vary significantly from one country to another.
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Totally do-able.
I'm a kiwi riding a USA registered bike and just got my carnet from ADAC. This is the woman you want to deal with directly:
Mischa Horst Schüller
Touristische Services Reise und Freizeit (TSR) - Grenzverkehr
Tel: +49 / 89-76 76 63 34 Fax: +49 / 89-760 75 72
mischa.schueller {{AATT}} adac {[ddoott]} de
www.adac.de
ADAC Touring GmbH
Hansastr. 19, 80686 München
Expect a 3000 euro deposit and 298.50 euro processing fee. At that price they will post you the carnet or for an extra amount they can DHL it to you world wide.
Good luck.
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Ah thanks Cam, that's what I wanted to hear! I actually got a response today to my email enquiry, and it was Mischa that responded. She said OK pending review of bike docs, but one difference was that she quoted 5000 euros or the German value of the bike, whichever is greater. Still a lot cheaper than CAA but contradicts the fees laid out on the application form, and the information you've just supplied.
So waiting for clarification about that, but looks like I'll be going the ADAC route either way. Even if the deposit was 10k euro/$14k, that's still a lot better than $33k with CAA.
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I'm a kiwi riding a USA registered bike and just got my carnet from ADAC. This is the woman you want to deal with directly:
Mischa Horst Schüller
Touristische Services Reise und Freizeit (TSR) - Grenzverkehr
Tel: +49 / 89-76 76 63 34 Fax: +49 / 89-760 75 72
mischa.schueller@adac.de
www.adac.de
ADAC Touring GmbH
Hansastr. 19, 80686 München
Expect a 3000 euro deposit and 298.50 euro processing fee. At that price they will post you the carnet or for an extra amount they can DHL it to you world wide.
Good luck.
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For the US riders
Just an FYI for the US guys. I've been searching the past couple weeks on how to obtain a Carnet here in the states and finally got this reply back from CAA. I forwarded the email to Mischa at ADAC to see if she will be able to issue a carnet for me after March 31st, 2015. I'll report back what I find out!
We are only issuing Carnets until March 31, 2015 and we are only using the insurance bond as the financial guarantee.
If you will be travelling before that date then please forward to me the completed application form (application attached) a copy of your vehicle registration, 2 photos of yourself, 2 photos of the vehicle and lastly a copy of the photo page out of your passport.
I will figure out the value of your vehicle and depending on the countries you will be travelling through will depend how much of an insurance bond we will need. I will let you know exactly how much that bond will be before any money exchanges hands because once I take the fee it is non-refundable.
If you are travelling past this date we still do not have any other company who will do this. The carnet law states that if there is no issuing organization in your country of residence you can go to any other country to get the carnet issued. This means you would have to contact a country in Europe. If you know which country you would like to contact I can provide you with their contact information.
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Fax: 1 613 247 0118
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Useless Carnet save your cash
Quote:
Originally Posted by PanEuropean
Trevor:
I'm not sure where you plan on riding once you get to Europe, but, are you aware that no carnet is needed for an American registered moto within the European Community? I think you will only need a carnet if you plan to go very, very far east (into places that end with '-stan'"). Certainly not for the EU, Turkey, or Ukraine, that I know from personal experience with my Canadian motorcycle.
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Usa register bike,European passport,back in 2007 Poland- Ukraine-Russia-Kazakhstan-kirgisthan back to Poland no carnet,Ukraine the only border crossing knew that was USA register bike,rest of them had no clue.
2012-2013 Poland-Marco-down west coast to Cape Town- up east coast -Egypt-Israel-Turkey-Poland,with out carnet and no bribes.
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