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Carnet De Passage for Central/South America
I'm an Australian citizen looking at purchasing a motorbike in Canada and riding it through as much of The Americas as possible and then further permitting shipping the motorcycle on wards to Europe and setting up for a while before continuing on to Australia.

Buying the bike in Canada seems most practical as they no longer require Carnet De Passages and it would give me the freedom of keeping the motorcycle in countries that don't require a Carnet for as long as possible. In the event i also have to cancel/postpone the trip i would then be able to do so in a country that doesn't require any fees incurred.

Can anyone give me updated information on which countries in Central/South America require Carnet's?

Given the bike eventually makes it to Australia i'd then worry about getting it in to Australia.
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As far as I know, a country's requirement for foreign vehicles to have a carnet does not affect vehicles registered in that country from leaving without a carnet.
In Japan, were I live, visitors usually need a carnet. But I can take my Japanese registered bike anywhere without a carnet as long as the destination doesn't require one.
So, you have options other than Canada. (Canada is a good starting place, though, to see all of the Americas).
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Cool, cheers for the advice. I called a few places in Australia and they were hopeless in providing the right information.

So low and behold nothing changes with in the next year i'll be able to ride the motorbike from Canada to South America get it to England by boat and then continue on to South East Asia.
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The map is nonsense now, as it ever was. I'll repeat: no need for (and no recommendation for) a carnet anyplace in North, Central or South America.
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The map is nonsense now, as it ever was. I'll repeat: no need for (and no recommendation for) a carnet anyplace in North, Central or South America.
It is a official Map from 2012, not directly nonsense i guess.

The list of "red" countries are really small and all outside of america.

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It is a official Map from 2012, not directly nonsense i guess.

The list of "red" countries are really small and all outside of america.

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There are lots of allegedly "official" websites/organisations, including the UK FCO, the US CIA etc. that are best treated with a pinch of salt (or at worst as the comic strip they are). Take advice from the HUBB and you're much more likely to have useful, up to date, correct, verifiable facts.

However, it's your choice. I prefer to get my view of the world from the Daily Express.

PS. I've read of several people on the HUBB who got into Japan without a CdP and there's a chap who rode through many countries in Africa without a CdP also. Basically, the map you posted is verging on total fabrication.
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The Map shows the situation for traveling a "legal way".

Yes you can drive through africa without a carnet, because the guys on the border mostly don't know what are the rules.

But: not all officials are educated that way. You can get into trouble - when you meet that guy who know what is legal.

Do you mean that guys who had to pay high bribes had done their paperwork in a good way? Or does he had a faked carnet, or something else to make out of him a "weak" target?

When you study the entrys about japan at hubb - you will see that you only can get a temporary import-paper when you arrive in a given way.

Did you really take the risk to get stranded because you dont have a carnet, who cost 220 USD?

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You may be right (or not) about specific countries or specific borders. The map itself, however, remains nonsense. No amount of naming it "official" will change that.

The OP asked about the Americas. That happens to be an area in which there is no debate at all about the need for a carnet. Answering by posting your "official" map merely displays ignorance.

If anyone wants to argue about Africa or Japan, by all means have at it.

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From personal experience, I can tell you that there is no need for a carnet in Canada, USA, Mexico, all the Central American countries, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, and Chile.

It is important to have a drivers license, passport, and vehicle ownership document all in the same name. People have done this trip with a sketchy title, but I would do what I had to, to get legit title with the bike, so take into account how long it might take to get it, and plan to stay in the country you buy the bike in until you receive title.
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It is a official Map from 2012, not directly nonsense i guess.
Well, it's written in three languages under the map that there's no liability assumed.
So no need to argue, guys.

There is a lot of bad/old information from Automobile clubs and wiki, like on my carnet issued from the Swiss TCS it's written not valid for Peru,India,Egypt(not enough deposit) and others but I was in Peru before I bought the CDP.
Sometimes a custom officer proceedes the CDP if you hand it in even if they don't need it,like in Thailand.
So the best information is the HUBB and the HUBB says for the Americas your good to go without.
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You may be right (or not) about specific countries or specific borders. The map itself, however, remains nonsense. No amount of naming it "official" will change that.

The OP asked about the Americas. That happens to be an area in which there is no debate at all about the need for a carnet. Answering by posting your "official" map merely displays ignorance.

If anyone wants to argue about Africa or Japan, by all means have at it.

Mark

Just what I was going to say, but Mark got there first. I was asleep. Something to do with being on the other side of the world.

The OP asked about Central and South America. He's received the answer, probably what he was hoping to hear too.

The CdP topic has been done to death. The map is sh!te.

This thread should now stay on topic please. Surfy: Please post your "official" map elsewhere and ask for feedback. There may be some interesting feedback.
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I think it´s been common consensus on this site for years, that you do not need a carnet anywhere in the Americas.

The eternal confusion about the carnet probably comes from the fact, that there are countries, that allow you to use the carnet, if you have it, as your temp import document (maybe this can fall into the category “recommended”, although personally I would not bother, if the country has another temporary import paper). And then there are some countries (but not in the Americas) that absolutely demand that you have the carnet, or else your vehicle´s entry into that country will be very tough, will take days in the best scenario, and will most likely include some large-scale payments and/or bonds to be made – Egypt, India, and Australia come to mind here.

And finally, there are a lot of countries, where their border officials most likely won´t have a clue, what that yellow paper is. But if the border has a lot of truck traffic, then they´ll probably know what it is, as it´s still a common paper for truckers (and that is also another possibility, why you get maps showing a carnet is recommended somewhere).
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Surfy: Please post your "official" map elsewhere and ask for feedback. There may be some interesting feedback.
Did it myself: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...map-your-70470
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