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hello there again! i thought i ask you this question because you dont seem to be a fussy traveler hehe what do you think to carnet de passage for a rtw?? countrys like iran mayb afga. and the stans. india south east asia and new zealand?? is it sure that they wont let me in there country or is there wink wink fee to pay??

What are your experiences??
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Given what I have read on the HUBB, I would suggest you look up the list of countries that you intend to travel through, that require a CDP. Whilst I do not have personal experience, I don't think an RTW trip is possible without a CDP. Don't rely on bribes getting you across borders, either
Just count the CDP as one of your trip requirements and have a good time....
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carnet is essential for a RTW.
I know that you are from switzerland but if you have a look at the RAC website in the UK RAC provide information on the carnet de passage

this can give you a lot of background information regarding the Carnet. It is not a difficult document to obtain and there are many way in which to cover the 'deposit' required.

there is as bmwjack states a lot of information on the HUBB regarding the carnet.

Simon and I have been travelling for 7 years around the World and have often said what invaluable documents our carnets have been. there are certain countries inthe World where entry without a carnet is not possible.

I would however ask you to please not to do any "wink wink fee to pay?" as a solution to not having a carnet as this only increases the possibility of these 'fee's then being asked from other travelers for whom it may not be possible to pay as easliy.

In our 7 years on the road Simon and I have only ever been forced (quite literally) to payout for an 'additional request for fees' twice.....

carnets are also quite easily re-newed on the road.

have fun with the research.
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If you check out the carnet info under 'paperwork' in the menu on the left you will find a link to a topic where we maintain a list of countries where a carnet is officially required and people have posted their experiences. It seems that you may be able to talk your way into Iran and even Indonesia, at least on a small bike coming from Timor Leste (met a Spanish Lady who did that). If you are male and ride a big bike then your chances may be lower... You can ride into Malaysia without a carnet, but you need one if you ship in. For NZ a carnet is not required.

I wouldn't recommend going to SE Asia without one, it's too much of a worry.
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I did Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Nepal, India, Pakistan, Iran Turkey & Europe last year.

The first 8 countries on the list probably won't let your bike in without a CDP. I met a Turk trying to get his BMW into Iran without a CDP. They required a $1,000+ cash deposit from him. With countries like India, my impression was that trying to get a foreign bike in without a CDP would be like trying to get yourself in without a passport...
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I would however ask you to please not to do any "wink wink fee to pay?" as a solution to not having a carnet as this only increases the possibility of these 'fee's then being asked from other travelers for whom it may not be possible to pay as easliy.
Good point.
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Plenty of good advice above. One more point: even when entering a country that doesn't actually require a carnet, the carnet sometimes pleases the customs folks and speeds things along. Put a price on it: you and your bike are stopped at a border just west of hell...now you will try to find a hotel room and secure your bike while you sort out the carnet and have it DHL'd to a country where a (hot or cold) might not be available. Don't worry, you won't be bored...you will need to extend your visa in whatever country you're in while getting a new visa for the next country you hope to visit - which could break out in civil war just as things seem to be "going nicely." Safe trip. Dave.
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Plenty of good advice above. One more point: even when entering a country that doesn't actually require a carnet, the carnet sometimes pleases the customs folks and speeds things along. Put a price on it: you and your bike are stopped at a border just west of hell...now you will try to find a hotel room and secure your bike while you sort out the carnet and have it DHL'd to a country where a (hot or cold) might not be available. Don't worry, you won't be bored...you will need to extend your visa in whatever country you're in while getting a new visa for the next country you hope to visit - which could break out in civil war just as things seem to be "going nicely." Safe trip. Dave.

I can tell you that a friend of mine was required to show the Carnet de Passage for his Gold Wing 1500 by Turkmen customs officers last year on his way from Italy to Samarkand, though Turkmenistan don't officially require it.
Luckily, he had it cuz he needed it for crossing Iran.
So, sometimes you may be asked for it even if you don't expect...
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hello again everyone
thank you all for you knowlage and answeres helped me a lot

hope you all have a good ride
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