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Carnet needed for Russia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia?
Is it true that I don't need carnet for Russia, Kazakhstan and Mongolia? I have been searching for a while, but not found something clearly written.

I'm thinking about buying a really cheap car, and drive it as long as it goes. When it brakes down I will give it away to who ever happend to be there, and take a plane home. And I can't do that if I have a carnet...
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No you don't...
Kazakhstan grants you an automatic temporary importation thats good for 6 months...if you're not out by then, then you will face importation taxes, etc.

Russia has their own temporary import documentation for your vehicle. Make sure that if you're doing a multiple/double entry...the importation document and accompanying insurance covers your ENTIRE visa duration.

Mongolia...same as Kazakhstan...temporary...I forgot for how long.
This was true as of June-August of 2007...things may have changed.

StanTours is also a good reference and source for your Russian visa...they're on the Net.

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Russia - no carnet required for an EU registered vehicle, probably not for any foreign registered vehicle. You just need your Registration Document (an unofficial translation helps speed things up at the border, but not obligatory) and Insurance issued by a Russian Company, bought at travel or tourist offices close to the border.

This insurance is only the basic minimum as required by law. Foreign insurers' certificates are not accepted by the Police, even if your 'home' insurers have extended cover to include Russia. Example of cost - 3 months for a motorcycle last summer cost me GBP32 (approx 45 Euro or US$60)

On entry, a Temporary Import Certificate is issued that must be carried on the vehicle and produced at the very many Road Police spot checks. My certificate was valid for 3 months (but could possibly be for up to 6 months) and the vehicle must leave Russia before that certificate expires.

Sorry, not been to Mongolia or Kazahkstan - as yet.
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MotoEdde,

Re Russia.
I agree about ensuring your personal Visa allows multiple entry but the vehicle is treated afresh each time it is presented at the border and its past history does not seem to be a problem.

I left Russia for Estonia and re-entered via Lithuania the following day without any query.
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MotoEdde,

Re Russia.
I agree about ensuring your personal Visa allows multiple entry but the vehicle is treated afresh each time it is presented at the border and its past history does not seem to be a problem.

I left Russia for Estonia and re-entered via Lithuania the following day without any query.
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When you enter Russia the vehicle registration is for the duration of that singular entry, even on a multiple entry, I agree.

BUT the insurance purchased can cover the entire visa duration on a multiple entry. Not buying insurance that covers your entire visa period doubles your insurance cost unnecessarily.

Good point on buying the insurance at a travel agent BEFORE arriving at the border...I didn't realize you could do that.
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What about this "Temporary Import Certificate", will it be a problem if I leave Russia without the car? Do it has to signed out of the country, or will I have to pay a fee for not exporting the vehicle again? I want to go as far as the old car survives, and then give it away to some local and take the train or air home.
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If you have the TIC with you when you leave, and you present it at customs then you might have a problem. I am 90% sure that if you don't have it then you don't have a problem - I don't think they have the customs and immigration systems that well linked. If you are prepared to wait long enough and pretend to not understand anything then you can get through most borders OK, it's just easier to let you slip through than deal with you 'properly'....
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Tony,
Good point on buying the insurance at a travel agent BEFORE arriving at the border...I didn't realize you could do that.
The Tourist Office at Narva, Estonia (about 300m from the border) gave me a list of a dozen or so places in Narva that would sell me insurance from a Russian Insurance Company. The tourist office even rang one for me to confirm they would do it there and then. All they wanted to see was the Bike Registration document, my UK Drivers Licence and IDP, and my Passport. The process took about 10 minutes.
The fee must be paid in cash, local cash only - Estonian EEKs. They directed me to a Bankomat/ATM round the corner for it, while they completed the documentation.

Sure, you can use the same Insurance documents on re-entering Russia, if still current, as I did when I re-entered Russia (Kaliningrad) from Lithuania after returning from 'mainland' Russia.
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