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Hi JoaoPCF

I'm not sure if I can offer you any practical advice, but I have some experience with obtaining carnets issued by a 'foreign' motoring authority.

Basically, I own a New Zealand-registered motorcycle and I am now travelling on my third carnet. The first one was issued by NZAA (New Zealand Automobile Association); the last two have been issued by the RAC (UK's Royal Automobile Association).

Earlier this year I also approached the ADAC in Germany and asked if they would issue a carnet for my NZ-registered bike, but that enquiry very quickly took me down a blind alley. In short, I got no joy whatsoever from the ADAC.

I won't go into the whole story here as it's far too lengthy - but please do not hesitate to contact me here on your thread, or by PM or e-mail if you want to know about my experience on this issue.

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Hi Keith,

First of all congratulations for your amazing trip. I found lots of useful information in your website.

What went wrong with ADAC? They've been nothing but helpful with me, but in case that doesn't work I might have a chance of getting the Carnet through RAC, I just need to get it approved. In case they do the Portuguese Club won't stand in their way.

My only fear is if the insurance company refuses me the indemnity, since I'm not an UK citizen. In the end the guarantee would be more or less the same as ADAC (with part of it of course not being refundable).
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Joao,

Years ago I had an issue to get the deposit back from Touring Club Switzerland. I contacted directly FIA. The person in charge was called Deborah Smith. She was extremely helpful and kind. Her email was dsmith (at) fia dot com

If she's still there (I hope she is, I insist, she was just GREAT), she may help you, since they tell the Associations how to apply the rules of CdP, as they clarified the case to TCS.

You may try with RACE Spain, I do not know the calculations they make, but the deposit is SO LOW even for Iran. Check with them, I'm sure you may manage well with Spanish language if you are Portuguese. If you need help, I may help you (I'm Spanish).

Good luck and happy travels,

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Sorry if you have already covered this avenue but why not try going through the Australian body if you are located in Sydney?

By the looks of above post it seems to be possible to obtain form a body in a 3rd country.

With regards to the indemnity, whilst some countries have the high %, what you do instead is pay a 'policy' which is basically an annual premium which takes the responsibility upon the motoring body to chase you up for the full amount should anything go wrong.

I got extremely helpful information from the person below

Taleah Mulder | International Driving Permit
NRMA Travel
9A York Street
Sydney NSW 2000
Phone: 1300 053 052
Fax: (02) 8741 6506
Email: taleah.mulder@nrmatravel.com.au
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Sorry if you have already covered this avenue but why not try going through the Australian body if you are located in Sydney?
For a vehicle located/registered in Portugal? Think you'll have the same problems as with the RAC/ADC...
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Unfortunately for you: it is as it is. The rules are clear: if the portugese automobile federation issues cdp's you can't apply at ADAC. I got my cdp from ADAC because the dutch automobile federation ANWB outsourced the carnet business to ADAC. The cdp of ADAC will not be cheaper than the portugese cdp because the deposit is only depended of the value of your bike. So, what you can do is to mention a value as low as possible. The value is seldom checked. I got my ADAC cdp, which includes Iran, for a value of 1500 € and had to deposit 3000 €.

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For a vehicle located/registered in Portugal? Think you'll have the same problems as with the RAC/ADC...
Sorry, I didn't think about that. I guess the catch is that it can be issued in a 3rd country only if the bike is already there?

That said, i would still talk to the staff in the Australian office, perhaps they could at least help with some extra information if the OP has been hitting dead ends so far.
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Sorry, I didn't think about that. I guess the catch is that it can be issued in a 3rd country only if the bike is already there?

That said, i would still talk to the staff in the Australian office, perhaps they could at least help with some extra information if the OP has been hitting dead ends so far.
Warin is right, for a motorcycle registered in Portugal I would have the same problem with the Australian Association. And my problem is that I really wanted to take this particular bike, since it has been with me for years, I know everything about it and I already spent thousands of dollars in it. But if I can't solve this thing I'll have no other alternative than to buy a new bike in Australia.
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Years ago I had an issue to get the deposit back from Touring Club Switzerland. I contacted directly FIA. The person in charge was called Deborah Smith. She was extremely helpful and kind. Her email was dsmith (at) fia dot com

If she's still there (I hope she is, I insist, she was just GREAT), she may help you, since they tell the Associations how to apply the rules of CdP, as they clarified the case to TCS.
Thanks for the tip Esteban. I'll try that and maybe someone in FIA with some common sense might help me. Que te vaya bien.
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If you going to ship the bike to Australia anyway ..

A possibility? This might be worth investigating...

Ship + pay the import duties to Australia (over 10% of the value of the vehicle .. )
Register it in Australia .. need to do the regs on that - if the bike is over a certain age then there is no problem with ADR requirements .. think they came in in 1975? But there may be an age limit of ?20? years -- if it is older than that they don't bother?

Then get the Carnet in Australia..

When you leave Australia you should get the import duties back.
Once you get to Portugal you should have the Carnet signed off and be able to send the document back to Australia and get most of the money back from the Carnet.

But do check all this first before taking my pondering here as truth.

Before you start shipping .. do get all the paper work done for importation , and do get all the registration details done FIRST before shipping.
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Ship + pay the import duties to Australia (over 10% of the value of the vehicle .. )

Register it in Australia .. need to do the regs on that - if the bike is over a certain age then there is no problem with ADR requirements .. think they came in in 1975? But there may be an age limit of ?20? years -- if it is older than that they don't bother?

Then get the Carnet in Australia..
I already tried that when I first moved to Australia, the problem is that you need to have an Australian Resident Visa to import a vehicle there.
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