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OLD list and discussion of Countries that require Carnet de Passages en Douane

Found this list of countries that require CDP - please read the footnotes before writing that all of Europe is carnet free.

Countries in Which the Carnet de Passages en Douane (CPD) is Required
(1)


Africa
(2)

Benin, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroun, Central African
Republic, Chad, Ciskei, Comoros, Congo, Egypt, Gabon, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau, Ivory Coast, Kenya, Lesotho, Libya, Malawi, Mauritania, Namibia, Niger, Senegal, Somalia, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, Zimbabwe.
America
Argentina, Brazil
(3) ,Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dutch Antilles,
Ecuador, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Surinam, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay,
Venezuela.


Asia & Middle East
Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq
(5) , Japan, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Malaysia, Myanmar, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Singapore, Sri Lanka,
Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen.


Europe
(4)

Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey.

Oceania
Australia, New Zealand.

Footnotes
(1). This list may contain errors due to changes in national legislation, correct as at 1/1/2006
(2). In certain African countries, the CPD is not officially required, but is often used to facilitate temporary importation.
(3). In Brazil, the CPD is not required for vehicles entering by land routes, but is required for vehicles arriving by boat.
(4). In these European countries, the CPD is required only for certain categories of vehicles. The CPD is not required in these countries for private vehicles.
(5). CPD system is not currently functioning in Iraq. There is no guarantor club and therefore will not validate temporary entry under Carnet.
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here we go again!

this list is absolutely wrong . Horribly wrong. I am so tired of saying that No carnet is needed in most Africa . that I wont´go again.

for an up to date list of countries which require carnet (i.e. those which if you don´t have a carnet you cant not enter the country) go to wikipedia and look for Carnet de Passage.

This list is more or less accurate and up to date ( I am the mantainer of that list )

I can assure you that you can enter mauritania , mali , niger , ,nigeria , chad , camerun , congo , angola namibia sudafrica , both guineas , gambia , senegal , sierra leona , ghana (recently) , ivory coast , togo , benin , CAR , etc..etc..etc.. without a carnet.

Indeed , in order to not mislead people .. Id sugest the moderator to remove this entire post , as Its going to mislead a hell of a lot people.

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senegal requires a carnet for all vehicles over 5 years old, although you maybe able to obtain a laissez passez at the border.
gambia requires a carnet for right hand drive vehicles.
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this list is absolutely wrong . Horribly wrong. I am so tired of saying that No carnet is needed in most Africa . that I wont´go again.
Hummm ..

Australia does not requier a carnet ... but you are better off with one than without!!!!!

That may also be the case in Africa .. at least in some countries.

So perhaps the word 'require' could be changed to ? advisable ?
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I thought all of the Americas were Carnet-free.
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>>>So perhaps the word 'require' could be changed to ? advisable

HI ..
no no no. Most countries on these list won't hassle you at-all for not having a Carnet. You end up paying the same fees (scam) for either the Passavant , or for Stamping the carnet (ussually around 5 Euros a go)

Compare this minor hassle compared to all the nightmares of getting a carnet , or losing the vehicle , or losing the carnet , or Both ! . Also , Id go even further :

When you have a carnet , you are in a very vulnerable position . Most policemen know that , and as soon as they stop you ( for whichever reason ) they demand your carnet OR passavant . ok . A passavant is just a piece of paper , and they don't give a damm , but they KNOW that a carnet is worth Thousands of dollars ,or even a equity on your house , and they ussually extort the unhappy tourist trreatening about ripping off the carnet , etc.. etc..

I have seen happening so muuuuuch times , man !! . (on the other hand .. I honestly think that people still using a Carnet in countries such as Mauritania or Mali , etc.. actually deserve it - no joking- .

If you see who is actually insisting on the use of the carnet .. Its just RAC , RACC , RACE , etc...etc.. No one from Africa will tell you that you really need a carnet. No one. Its only the embassies in Europe (who know nothing about their own country ) , or people which mistakes a carnet de passage with a Carte Griss .

Insist : Since a few years Its no longer required a Carnet to travel in Africa . Every country issues some way or another to enter the country without it .

and -for newcomers- never forget that if you loose the Carnet , or the vehicle (fire , theft , crash , accident , or getting stuck ) you LOSE ALL THE INDENMITY. This adds from several thousand bucks to tens or even hundred of grands in teh case of nice Unimogs.

So whichever Hassle would be without a carnet .. Its not worth . People which think entering Senegal without a carnet is a Hassle , they are gonna be hassled anyway for the most mundane issues.

F uck Carnets! . Its perfectly possible travel without them in Africa . They are a hassle , are expensive , are pointless , risky gambles with a lot of cash on them.. Feel Generous ? spend the same ammount of the cost of the carnet in real people in Africa , not into a Bank , or the Swiss RAC ! .


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When you have a carnet , you are in a very vulnerable position . Most policemen know that , and as soon as they stop you ( for whichever reason ) they demand your carnet OR passavant .
As a carnet is a customs document .. why should a policeman need it? And why would you give it to him? And why would you not have a 'copy' to give it to him .. and let him keep it .. similar to your IDP, riders licence .. etc.

If they keep the passavant .. well the liablity may not be as much .. but I'd think it would be a similar threat.
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