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Quick Carnet question
I keep seeing people talking/complaining about carnets. I shipped my bike to Europe without one, and was not charged any import taxes. Did I need one? I just went through my paperwork from the shipping company and don't see anything in there. I guess it's possible that it was included in my shipping costs, but it seems like these are dated materials and I should know of it. Is one not needed from US to Europe? Will this affect my trip to Morocco?
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As far as I am aware, carnets are not needed for privately owned vehicles anywhere in Europe. I am headed there in April and won't need my carnet until I get to Iran. The following is an extract from my application form.
Countries in Which the Carnet de Passages en Douane (CPD)
is Required (1)
Africa
(2)
Benin, Bophuthatswana, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Cameroun, Central African
Republic, Chad, Ciskei, Comoros, Congo, Egypt, Gabon, Ghana, Guinea-Bissau,
Ivory Coast, Kenya, Lesotho, Libya, Malawi, Mauritania, Namibia, Niger, Senegal,
Somalia, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Togo, Uganda, Zimbabwe.
America
Argentina, Brazil
(3) ,Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dutch Antilles,
Ecuador, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Surinam, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay,
Venezuela.
Asia & Middle East
Bahrain, Bangladesh, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq
(5) , Japan, Jordan, Kuwait,
Lebanon, Malaysia, Myanmar, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Singapore, Sri Lanka,
Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen.
Europe
(4)
Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Turkey.
Oceania
Australia, New Zealand.
Footnotes
(1). This list may contain errors due to changes in national legislation.
(2). In certain African countries, the CPD is not officially required, but is often used to
facilitate temporary importation.
(3). In Brazil, the CPD is not required for vehicles entering by land routes, but is required for
vehicles arriving by boat.
(4). In these European countries, the CPD is required only for certain categories of vehicles.
The CPD is not required in these countries for private cars.
(5). CPD system is not currently functioning in Iraq. There is no guarantor club and therefore AAA will not validate temporary entry under Carnet.
It sort of explains everything I reckon.
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And here's more - The indemnity amounts required by each country.
INDEMNITY AMOUNTS
Country
Motor
Cycles
Australia 30%
Egypt 150%
Europe 50%
India/Pakistan/Sri Lanka 400%
Iran 470%
Japan 100%
Middle East 100%
New Zealand 25%
Singapore/Malaysia/Indonesia
150%
South America (trans) 200%
South Africa 100%
Syria 400%
Trans Africa 150%
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Great thank you. I guess it's a good thing I didn't get pulled over in either Belgium or Netherlands as I have been in both countries with my bike. I also plan on spending a fair amount of time in both Italy and Finland, so I guess I need to follow up on that.
Actually all of the European countries on that list with the exception of Turkey, are Schengan countries. I wonder if the need for a carnet would be lifted if you are already inside the Schengan area?
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Ahhhh. I guess it helps to read the footnotes as well. It says the carnets in the European countries are only required for certain types of vehicles. I'm going to interpret that as other than motorcycles.
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Besides that, once you're in any of the Shengen countries there aren't any border control stations anymore. Thanks god ;-)
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Quote:
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Ahhhh. I guess it helps to read the footnotes as well. It says the carnets in the European countries are only required for certain types of vehicles. I'm going to interpret that as other than motorcycles.
Cheers!
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Yup carnets are not required for private vehicles in the EU. That includes privately owned motorcycles
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Does anyone have a website stating that carnets are NOT needed for motorcycles to travel in Denmark, Holland, etc...?
Am planning a huge trip to be reported about in the BMW ON mag...
and that extra expense would really be a drag!
Thanks!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jvanham
Does anyone have a website stating that carnets are NOT needed for motorcycles to travel in Denmark, Holland, etc...?
Am planning a huge trip to be reported about in the BMW ON mag...
and that extra expense would really be a drag!
Thanks!
Jacqui Van Ham
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Jacqui,
Your local automobile club will have the details. My previous post was an excerpt from the carnet application I obtained from the Queensland branch here in Australia. Carnets are the same anywhere in the world as part of an international agreement.
So you definitely don't need a carnet for the EU.
Cheers,
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doesn't explain squat!
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Originally Posted by KennyE
[LEFT] (3) ,Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dutch Antilles,
Ecuador, Jamaica, Paraguay, Peru, Surinam, Trinidad & Tobago, Uruguay,
Venezuela.
It sort of explains everything I reckon.
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Sorry, but who has had to provide Canada with a Carnet?
The list is old (although on HU) and doesn't reflect real-world situation.
Who had to provide a carnet for Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, or Ecuador (even though they ask in Ecuador)?
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Yep, this "official" list keeps getting quoted, but is bull.
There are two web sites with up-to-date info that I'm aware of.
One is right here, menu on the left.
The other is wikipedia.
And if anybody finds by their own experience that this is not correct, please go and edit yourself (Wikipedia) and let Grant know.
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Hey mate don't shoot the messenger. As I said in my previous posts, I copied an excerpt from the "Official" information given to me. In saying that, I will definitely bring up with them what you say about those countries, as I will be paying them good money for my carnet application, so I reckon they should be supplying the right information.
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I received my carnet today from the Australian Automobile Association and am still no wiser as to which countries accept it. They have only given me information regarding the specific countreies through which I am travelling.
The only updated details I have is that a carnet is no longer needed for both commercial and private vehicles in Turkey. Used to be needed for commercial vehicles.
Apparently some countries don't let the FIA know when they change the rules, hence the outdated information. Maybe the problem is that they don't have local automobile associations.
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updated carnet info
Hi all,
I got this from the RAC site.
It would seem that the fee's have increased some what as have the rates for some countries.
HTH
"SECURITY RATE TABLE @ OCTOBER 2006
The amount required by RAC depends on the rates of customs duty and taxes in the countries visited but
is always a multiple of the value of the vehicle. E.g. £5,000 value x 150% = £7,500 (South Africa)
Egypt 800%
Africa (excluding Egypt/Kenya) 150%
Iran, India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal 500% Japan/New Zealand 150%
Kenya/Libya/Middle East & Far East (e.g. Singapore/Malaysia)
200% Australia 150% + £5,000 Vehicle Import Approval supplement (cars
only)
South America 300%
Carnet de Passages – Fees:
Carnet de Passages en Douane : £150.00
Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £45.00 (Unlimited liability)
Bank Guarantee Administration Fee £55.50 (Limited liability)
R L Davison Insurance Premium - to be advised by RAC on receipt of completed application form + Insurance Premium Tax @ 5%
RAC Refundable Deposit £350.00
(Applicable to R L Davison Indemnity ONLY)
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