Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Trip Paperwork
RAC withdraws from issueing Carnets on Dec 31, 2015 RAC withdraws from issueing Carnets on Dec 31, 2015
Register FAQ Calendar Today's Posts
Trip Paperwork Covers all documentation, carnets, customs and country requirements, how to deal with insurance etc.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Like Tree9Likes

Reply
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 8 Jan 2016
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by frenchian View Post
You got 50% of the insurance back once the carnet had been successfully cleared with the RAC. No other country seems to operate the insurance scheme - I've discussed it with many other travellers, they have all been using deposits or bank guarantees. The upside is that it's up to you to decide how much to declare as the value of the vehicle.....and you get 100% back so long as you don't do anything wrong.
We haven't applied for our next carnet yet, we will shop around as its not just the ADAC that you can go to - there's also the TCS in Switzerland, the Automobile Club in France, the Belgian RAC.....etc. Depending on your situation, one of these will certainly be cheaper than others. I've come to the conclusion that the French system looks most interesting for us.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Can you provide a link for the French auto club where I can get more information about their Carnet's? I found a their website but it didn't seem to have any info about Carnets
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 8 Jan 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: On the road somewhere in Africa
Posts: 104
Try here : https://www.automobile-club.org/tour...ages-en-douane

It's in French, but with Google translate you'll get the gist

Ian
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 8 Jan 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: On the road somewhere in Africa
Posts: 104
Just a quick update on the French carnets - it seems from their documentation (I haven't spoken to them directly yet) that they prefer to send a carnet renewal to the local French embassy and you are supposed to go and collect it from there.
Not being French this could become interesting (maybe), and it means you have to be in the capital city (which we normally prefer to avoid).

Ian
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 8 Jan 2016
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 2
Thanks for the Link. I speak french so the language isn't a problem just couldn't find the right sight. That probably would be a headache picking it up at the french embassy.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 23 Jan 2016
Registered Users
HUBB regular
  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 39
Update for anyone, like me, who is pursuing the ADAC option and hoping to securing a bank guarantee as opposed to having to shell out the deposit money up front:

Anna from ADAC is almost certain that it will NOT be possible to lodge a bank guarantee if you are not a native German as it requires the stamp of a local German branch as opposed to a UK Bank who simply has a operating branch in Germany.

Example: You may bank with HSBC for example, who has branches in Germany, but as a UK citizen you cannot lodge a bank guarantee as the German branches are not in anyway tied to the HSBC UK Banks.

Anna also said she has never heard of a UK Citizen securing a bank guarantee with ADAC.

Not great having to put up 6000 Euro from the trip fund in order to get our 2 Carnets! Uuugh!

I will try to talk to the HSBC Business Enquiry Line to see if they can perhaps set up something with the Frankfurt am Main Branch as Anna said that they so far have been the only UK Based bank to have offered a bank guarantee for ADAC, albeit to a German Citizen residing in Germany!
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 23 Jan 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: On the road somewhere in Africa
Posts: 104
Can you get the "value" of the vehicle lower......? Talking to many Germans on our travels they seemed to have declared their own valuations.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 25 Jan 2016
Registered Users
HUBB regular
  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by frenchian View Post
Can you get the "value" of the vehicle lower......? Talking to many Germans on our travels they seemed to have declared their own valuations.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
The problem with the ADAC System is that all motorcycles valued anywhere between 0 and 15,000 Euros are all charged at the same security deposit value of 3,000 Euros if you wish to use it for all Carnet requiring countries.

There is a lower deposit amount of 1,500 Euros if you wish to take a Carnet that Excludes Southern Africa, India, Egypt, Iran and a few others. No use for us as we are looking to include India, South Africa and Egypt on our trip.

Might have to shell out the 6,000 Euros in the end.

I'm going to talk to HSBC Business Enquiry Line to see if there is ANY way for them to agree to take out a bank guarantee at all.
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 27 Feb 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 338
Adac
Is there a direct link to the ADAC carnet department ? Thanks
__________________
Do the best you can with what you have,
A stranger in a strange land now heading North South East West to.....
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 27 Feb 2016
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Aus. Qld. Mackay
Posts: 474
Australia
Australia works on the insurance premium option as I have been doing it that way for the last 7 years.

Cheers
Paul
__________________
....rather Die Living.....than Live Dying !
www.globetrekkers.net.au
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 29 Feb 2016
Registered Users
HUBB regular
  
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 79
So, is there anyone who has gone down the ADAC route recently? Anyone any idea of the processing time as well?
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 1 Mar 2016
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
  
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 5
So as I understand it, Im looking at paying a THREE THOUSAND EURO deposit, even though my motorbike is a 1996 honda cub90 valued at 500quid.

Thats a third of my budget for the entire trip (looking at doing london to japan)
There has to be a way round this!? Its basically torpedoing anyone who wants to travel on a budget?

I was hoping to leave in the next 3 months and am getting the paperwork together now.
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 8 Mar 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 137
I am a Kiwi on a French registered bike, I hold a British and Australian passport though... does this mean that I HAVE to use the French carnet, or I can use ADAC too?
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 10 Mar 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: London and all over West Africa
Posts: 678
Quote:
Originally Posted by Super Sonic Rocketship View Post
The problem with the ADAC System is that all motorcycles valued anywhere between 0 and 15,000 Euros are all charged at the same security deposit value of 3,000 Euros if you wish to use it for all Carnet requiring countries.

There is a lower deposit amount of 1,500 Euros if you wish to take a Carnet that Excludes Southern Africa, India, Egypt, Iran and a few others. No use for us as we are looking to include India, South Africa and Egypt on our trip.
I have a quick question about this.

You say motorcycles. But I presume the valuation scale you detail applies to all vehicles and not just bikes?

I operate an overland truck for commercial trips in West Africa, and will need to renew our carnet around September 2016. We used to get the insurance indemnity option through the RAC, which I understand is not available through the ADAC.

With that in mind, and knowing I don't need Iran, S Africa, Egypt and Iran, do you think we can get away with a €1,500 EUR deposit to get a CDP? In addition I presume the actual carnet fee is on top of this?

Thanks for any information!
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 25 Mar 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: On the road somewhere in Africa
Posts: 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanted View Post
I am a Kiwi on a French registered bike, I hold a British and Australian passport though... does this mean that I HAVE to use the French carnet, or I can use ADAC too?

I'm pretty sure that the rules state that if there's a carnet issuing organisation in the country in which the vehicle is registered you have to use them.
That's why we in the UK were stuck with the RAC!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 25 Mar 2016
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
  
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: On the road somewhere in Africa
Posts: 104
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave The Hat View Post
I have a quick question about this.



You say motorcycles. But I presume the valuation scale you detail applies to all vehicles and not just bikes?



I operate an overland truck for commercial trips in West Africa, and will need to renew our carnet around September 2016. We used to get the insurance indemnity option through the RAC, which I understand is not available through the ADAC.



With that in mind, and knowing I don't need Iran, S Africa, Egypt and Iran, do you think we can get away with a €1,500 EUR deposit to get a CDP? In addition I presume the actual carnet fee is on top of this?



Thanks for any information!

Dave,
You need to look at the ADAC website, there are different scales for different vehicles.
In our case (Unimog) I've just stumped up 5000 Euro deposit for Africa excluding Egypt. It's still better than the RAC because it's a deposit - Ie you get it back if you don't do anything untoward.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Carnet de passage UK: RAC withdraws bank guarantee Charlemagne Trip Paperwork 244 24 Jan 2019 17:02
2015 - Heading east from Europe, add your itinerary / plans kim Travellers Seeking Travellers 190 5 Mar 2016 08:38
MYANMAR - India to Thailand Dec 2015 or Jan 2016 Thomas_HH Travellers Seeking Travellers 9 1 Dec 2015 07:39

 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

Your ad could be here, on EVERY page of the HUBB, or the whole website, or as many as you like!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 19:33.

Contact Us - Horizons Unlimited Motorcycle Travellers Website - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top