Go Back   Horizons Unlimited - The HUBB > Planning, Trip > Trip Transport
Trip Transport Shipping the vehicle and yourself.
Photo by Hendi Kaf, in Cambodia

I haven't been everywhere...
but it's on my list!


Photo by Hendi Kaf,
in Cambodia



Like Tree10Likes
  • 9 Post By SMBoilerworks
  • 1 Post By PanEuropean

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 20 May 2016
Gold Member
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: On the road (from Seattle)
Posts: 11
Crossing the Atlantic by cargo freighter – how to and common questions

It is possible to accompany your motorcycle as RO/RO (roll-on / roll-off) via a cargo freighter between South America and Europe. After comparing costs and adding in experience/adventure of crossing the Atlantic by ship we decided to travel via a Grimaldi RO/RO cargo freighter between Montevideo, Uruguay and Antwerp, Belgium. In South America, Montevideo is the only Grimaldi port for embarkation of passenger and vehicle and in Europe there were two possible disembarking locations (Hamburg, Germany or Antwerp, Belgium).

Common questions that we had:

How much does it cost?
Our tickets were Euro 600 per motorcycle and Euro 1,825 per person for an inside cabin without a window. Our total bill was Euro 4,850. At our exchange rates it was US$5,227.55.

We compared this ticket price (US$5,200) to the cost of air freighting our motorcycles and flying ourselves from Buenos Aires, Argentina to Madrid, Spain. The estimated cost US$4,400-5,200 (US$2,800 to airfreight two motorcycles and US$800-1,200 for two one-way plane tickets) was only a negligible difference. And, in fact, it was actually cheaper to go via the freighter because the price included all room and board for 3-5 weeks. Our actual number of travel days ended up being 36 (5 weeks). On average we spend about US$40/day for food and lodging so for 36 days that equals about US$1,440.

Additional costs:
Required
• Brazil visa: US$160 per person
• The Gambia transit visa (bribe): US$81.50 per person
Personal choice
• SIM cards / data purchased in Brazil, the Gambia, and France ports: US$50.62
• Sundries and snacks including additional coffee to bring with us on board: US$105.93
• Taxis into town and food in ports: US$33.87

How do I get my tickets?
We procured our tickets directly through Grimaldi. Everyone else that we met or spoke with booked their tickets through a separate agent and paid an additional fee. When I corresponded with a booking agent and inquired about the fee and what additional assistance I would receive (help at the port, etc) I concluded that little if any extra help would be provided from a travel/booking agent. I therefore chose to go directly with Grimaldi and we found that this worked very well. Our Grimaldi contact was responsive via email (we got almost all responses same day, even with the time difference between South America and Italy. For responses that didn’t come on the same day we never waited more than 24-hours). Also, by booking directly with Grimaldi we got all of our pertinent information from the source instead of waiting for it to be passed to us from a third party travel agent.

Here is the link to the pertinent Grimaldi website including contact information:
Grimaldi Freighter Travel
Phone: +39.081.496.444
Email: gfc@grimaldi.napoli.it
Website: Home Page Grimaldi Freighter-Cruises

What paperwork do you need?
You will need the following paperwork in order to secure your ticket. We were able to arrange our booking and pay a deposit to hold the booking while we secured all the necessary paperwork but the ticket was not issued until everything was in place and paid in full.
• Passport
• Medical insurance including medevac
• Yellow fever vaccination
• Vehicle title
• Brazil visa
• Other visas required will depend on nationality and route. En-route we were required to pay for a Gambia transit visa (this was actually a bribe that ended up being required but was not expected). Grimaldi will alert you to any visas required prior to issuing the ticket. They will not issue tickets without proof of visa.

When you arrive on the ship you will be required to surrender your passport and yellow fever vaccination record to the captain or his designee. These will be returned to you when you disembark at your final destination.

Do I need a separate port agent to leave Uruguay or enter Belgium?
No. Leaving Montevideo, Uruguay was easy and straightforward. The Grimaldi port agent met us at the port and took us into the customs area where we turned in our Uruguay temporary vehicle import permit. You are provided the port agent contact information on your ticket and you just need to contact them five days prior to departure. We had a local SIM card and thus a phone number in Uruguay so that they could easily get in touch with us.

Our passports were handled by the ships first mate and kept with the captain. Immigration officials board the ship at each port, review, and stamp passports. Entering Belgium was equally easy and straightforward. We took a taxi to the immigration office and nothing was required for customs. A temporary vehicle import permit is not required; in fact, no one ever looked at our bikes and we were never required to provide proof of anything.

For detailed border crossing (leaving and arriving) see the following report: Uruguay to Belgium by Ship Border Crossing | S&M Boiler Works

How was the timing? Leaving date? Arriving at destination?
You must be very flexible for this kind of travel. Our departure date changed multiple times – when we first booked our tickets we were to set sail 24 Dec then it changed to the following dates 29 Dec, 4 Jan, 18 Jan, and we actually left on 14 Jan, even the actual ship we were to board changed during this time.

When you get to within 30-days of departure you can learn about scheduled changes on the Grimaldi website by going to the main freighter cruiser page and click on “check my booking” where you put in the date and booking number. This will give you the date of expected departure.

Your ticket will also have your ship name and you can track your ship on the marine tracker website AIS Vessel Tracking - AIS Positions Maps | AIS Marine Traffic. We signed up for alerts so we knew when it was arriving and leaving ports. This information is not always perfectly accurate. For example, we checked at one point and it said the ship left West Africa and that its next port of call would be in Italy. I freaked out and contacted Grimaldi and was assured that that was not the case and the ship was indeed on its way to Brazil. Friends/family can also track your ship this way once you are onboard.

We made sure to have a local SIM card and number when in Uruguay and provided this information to the port agent once Grimaldi provided us with this contact information. We tracked our potential leaving date through the Grimaldi website as well as through marine tracker. We also didn’t go much further than a day’s ride from Montevideo as it got closer to our departure and we spent the final four nights before departure in Montevideo simply waiting for the call to board. The agents contacted us 24-hours prior to our boarding and instructed us where and when to meet the port agent the following day.

Arrival date at destination is also estimated – the trip is estimated to take 3-5 weeks. I don’t know if it is ever completed in three weeks. Our trip was 5-weeks. So, make sure you don’t have any set dates on the other end!


The bread-and-butter cargo on the Grande Nigeria is vehicles. When leaving South America we had deck 9 all to ourselves. By the time we reached Antwerp all 12 decks were packed full of new and used cars, trucks, and heavy equipment.

What is life like on board?
This varies slightly for every ship and is dependent on ship and crew as well as the other passengers. We had an excellent chef/cook on board whereas I have heard horror stories about other chefs (bad cooks that can’t even get pasta right). On our journey the crew were friendly and helpful. It is necessary to be a bit proactive and ask about how long in port, etc as there isn’t someone assigned to come tell you everything about the ship’s current or planned activities. There is a small gym with a treadmill, stationary bicycle, rowing machine, and some weights. Passengers have their own washer and dryer for doing laundry and laundry soap is provided.

We crossed from South America to Europe and traveling in this direction is not as popular for passengers as the other direction. There was only one other passenger beside ourselves in comparison to the 12 passengers and their vehicles that disembarked in Montevideo before we boarded.

It is important to remember that this is a working cargo ship that happens to take passengers. For the most part you are left alone and undisturbed to make your own entertainment and activities.

See the article about our life on board: Five weeks on a cargo freighter across the Atlantic Ocean | S&M Boiler Works

What is the food like?
As mentioned above our chef was excellent and we both put on a little weight. Meals are at set times: breakfast 7:30-8:30, lunch 11:00-12:00, and dinner at 6:00pm. We skipped breakfast but there were fresh baked rolls, coffee/tea, butter, jam, and cold cuts (meat) available. Lunch was three courses plus fruit and coffee. There was pasta at almost every meal followed by a fish course and/or a meat course. Dinner was also three courses plus fruit and coffee. A small bottle of wine is provided with dinner or lunch. Or, you can choose to have a soda. There are odd “rules” around the beverages. For example, on the sailing before ours the passengers would get the bottle of wine with lunch as well as with dinner whereas we were told only one meal a day could have the wine. You are also provided with bottled drinking water. Once at sea duty-free alcohol and cigarettes are available.

There are two separate dinning rooms, one for the officers and passengers and one for the crew. There is a ‘messman’ or ‘cabin steward’ that will serve you your meals. Outside of meal times, on our ship at least, there was pizza bread (made daily) available in the officers dinning room and in the crew dinning room there was usually rice and chicken and other items available all times of day. The passengers eat at a time separate from the officers (an hour before) though on barbeque night (every Sunday and to celebrate crossing the equator) we all ate together.


We ate in the officers dining room for all of our meals along with the only other passenger. The crew ate an hour after we did so we passengers spent many hours talking and laughing amongst ourselves.


Four course meals for lunch and dinner were the norm and there was even a daily menu printed for the three passengers.

Is there internet or email?
There is no internet available on the ship. There is email provided through a Grimaldi email address. If you want to send/receive email then one of the officers can set you up with an email address and there is a computer you can use to send/receive. It is important to note that this email service is not private and can be read by other people. If the officers see an email for you they will most often print it out and bring it to you.

Before boarding the ship we didn’t realize that there was email available so we provided our family with Grimaldi office contact information in case of any emergency we needed to be aware of. While we were at sea one such instance occurred and the Grimaldi office forwarded the email from Shannon’s mother to us without delay or problem.

Are there hang out /common areas?
Yes, there is a common area just off the dinning room. Our common area had a foosball table, comfortable couches/chairs as well as regular tables/chairs. There are board games and books (most in German). There is also a TV and DVD player. We, along with the other passenger, spent a lot of time in this area mostly working on our computers (we were all reviewing GoPro footage, photographs, and making home movies), reading, and chatting while we waited for mealtime.

There is also outdoor deck space to sit and relax. Our ship did have a handful of outside deck chairs but we heard that not all ships have these.


The common room was the main place we could be found if we weren't in our cabin.


The ship had a well equipped exercise room. To keep from growing fat on all the tasty food we used the gym each morning.

What are the rooms like?
We experienced two different types of room – an inside cabin (no window and bunk bed set up) and an outside cabin (window and two separate beds). We paid for the inside cabin (substantially less expensive per person than the outside cabin) but due to a leak in our ceiling and some issues with the toilet we were moved to a different cabin (and happily they upgraded us to a outside cabin with window).

Both types of room had air conditioning, TV that has a DVD player, small refrigerator, storage drawers under the bed, dressing table with four drawers and a pull out computer table, two closets with mirrors on the inside of the doors, shelves above the dressing table and refrigerator, and nightstand. Both rooms were carpeted. Bathrooms have medicine cabinet, toilet, and shower. There were plenty of hooks and the shower had a folding stool built-in (maybe for rough seas?). Towels and sheets are provided.

Surprisingly the cheaper inside cabin (with the bunk beds and no window) actually had slightly more floor space so it was easier to store all our kit. We took everything off the bikes except the hard luggage that we could lock. Inside and outside cabins are the same size overall, it is the furniture configuration that gives the inside cabins slightly more storage area. But, we also made everything fit in the outside cabin and having the window more than made up for a little less storage.

Yes, the outside cabin with a window (natural light) was nicer than the inside cabin but would it have been worth paying the additional money (about US$1,000 more)? No, not in our opinion.

We spent the first 10-days in the inside cabin and the rest in the outside. Because we spent most of our time in the common room it didn’t overly affect us not having a window. That being said we both enjoyed having the natural light and being able to look outside to see the weather and get fresh air in our room. The windows do open.


We paid for the cheapest room we could get and that means bunkbeds and no windows. The room was still perfectly adequate and comfortable.


Free upgrade! a problem with the air conditioner in our windowless inside cabin forced us to move to a new room. The new room came with a window and a little more space.


Each cabin has its own toilet and shower.

Ports of call – where did we stop?
We had many ports of call, some that were scheduled and we knew about ahead of time and others that were added on as we sailed. Shore leave in port is dependent on permission from immigration (an immigration officer boards the ship in every port, compares the ship crew and passenger lists to the passports, and gives permission or not). The crew/passengers do not meet with the immigration official and the captain controls the passports throughout the voyage. You must also have permission from the captain or his designee and this permission is generally dependent on the disposition of the captain (we have heard of some captains that refuse to let passengers off the ship for shore leave). How long the ship will be in port can also be a factor as to whether or not a shore pass is allowed to passengers.

We were allowed off the ship in just about every port if we wanted. The Gambia did not allow anyone off the ship and out of the port (though a crew member was able to purchase multiple SIM cards from some folks hanging around the dock and one passenger went out to get an additional SIM card so didn’t actually leave the port).

Our ship stopped in: Santos, Brazil; Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (for three hours); Vitoria, Brazil; Dakar, Senegal; Banjul, The Gambia; Le Havre, France; Hamburg, Germany; Antwerp, Belgium.

We actually got off in:
• Vitoria, Brazil. We went to the center of town to look around, have lunch, and purchase SIM cards. It was a short taxi ride into the center of town though there were shops and things just outside the port as well. We were provided photocopies of our passports to use to leave and enter the port.
• Dakar, Senegal. We only had a few hours so we just walked to outside the port where there is a croissant/sandwich shop next to a gas station that has good internet and chocolate croissants. We were provided photocopies of our passports as well as a shore leave pass to exit and enter the port.
• Le Havre, France. We went into the center of town to look around and purchase SIM cards. It was a short (Euro 18) taxi ride to the center. There aren’t any shops outside the port. We were provided photocopies of our passports to use for leaving and entering the port. We were also required to bring our ID cards (driver’s license).

Would we do it again?
Yes. Not only was this a cost effective means of getting the bikes and us to Europe, but also the overall experience was good and we really enjoyed this trip. From the beginning we liked the idea of traveling slowly from one segment of our trip to the next, a time to reflect on what we have done and to prepare for the next leg of the journey. We also valued the down time – for the five weeks on board we didn’t have to do much of anything to get our daily needs met. We were able to take full advantage of having huge blocks of quality time without distraction to review all our GoPro and camera footage, make home movies, and complete website articles. We also just read books, watched movies, took naps, worked out, and got to know the crew and other passenger. It was never boring and in the end we found the trip quite refreshing and enjoyable.
__________________
Shannon & Mike Mills
S&M Boiler Works
www.smboilerworks.com
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 20 May 2016
Gold Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 2,134
An awesome post, one of the finest articles I have ever read here on the HUBB.

My thanks and compliments to you.

Michael
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 30 May 2016
Registered Users
HUBB regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: London
Posts: 21
Thank you for a great post. Very informative. We are taking two bikes to South America in October and have been looking at Grimaldi. Very helpful to read a first-hand account.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 30 May 2016
brclarke's Avatar
Contributing Member
Veteran HUBBer
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada
Posts: 812
Thumbs up

Extremely informative - now I have to figure out if I can find such a service out of Vancouver to points elsewhere....
__________________
Bruce Clarke - 2020 Yamaha XV250
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7 Dec 2016
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Rochester, NY USA
Posts: 2
Another 'Thank You!' for this article! Sounds like a great bit of quiet time to process the trip so far...
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
cargo, grimaldi freighter, shipping, shipping bike, uruguay to europe


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


 
 

Announcements

Thinking about traveling? Not sure about the whole thing? Watch the HU Achievable Dream Video Trailers and then get ALL the information you need to get inspired and learn how to travel anywhere in the world!

Have YOU ever wondered who has ridden around the world? We did too - and now here's the list of Circumnavigators!
Check it out now
, and add your information if we didn't find you.

Next HU Eventscalendar

25 years of HU Events
Be sure to join us for this huge milestone!

ALL Dates subject to change.

2025 Confirmed Events:

Virginia: April 24-27 2025
Queensland is back! May 2-4 2025
Germany Summer: May 29-June 1 2025
CanWest: July 10-13 2025
Switzerland: Date TBC
Ecuador: Date TBC
Romania: Date TBC
Austria: Sept. 11-14
California: September 18-21
France: September 19-21 2025
Germany Autumn: Oct 30-Nov 2 2025

Add yourself to the Updates List for each event!

Questions about an event? Ask here

See all event details

 
World's most listened to Adventure Motorbike Show!
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...

Adventurous Bikers – We've got all your Hygiene & Protection needs SORTED! Powdered Hair & Body Wash, Moisturising Cream Insect Repellent, and Moisturising Cream Sunscreen SPF50. ESSENTIAL | CONVENIENT | FUNCTIONAL.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.

"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)



Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance.

Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.

Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.

Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!


 

What others say about HU...

"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia

"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK

"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia

"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA

"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada

"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa

"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia

"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany

Lots more comments here!



Five books by Graham Field!

Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook

"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.



Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!

New to Horizons Unlimited?

New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!

Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.

Susan and Grant Johnson Read more about Grant & Susan's story

Membership - help keep us going!

Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.

You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.




All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:28.