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13 Nov 2012
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No amount of arguing is ever gonna change the fact, that shipping motorcycles across the oceans does not happen very often, in fact it is very rare, especially if you're not sending between Europe and US, for example. And that means you have no readymade services available.
Also reality is, that if the brown stuff just decides to hit the fan, then you're easily stuck for days or weeks, and there may be nothing you can do about it. I hope it all goes fine, but there's a hundred things, that just might turn out more problematic in reality, than what you now think. You can't tell the customs you're in a hurry (or you can, but they'll probably just laugh cos they'll think you told a joke!) I've shipped my bike 4 times, and each time it was a big project in itself. Glad I was not in a hurry, because shipping and hurry do not mix very well. But good luck on your ambitious project anyway.
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13 Nov 2012
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Originally Posted by pecha72
No amount of arguing is ever gonna change the fact, that shipping motorcycles across the oceans does not happen very often, in fact it is very rare, especially if you're not sending between Europe and US, for example. And that means you have no readymade services available.
Also reality is, that if the brown stuff just decides to hit the fan, then you're easily stuck for days or weeks, and there may be nothing you can do about it. I hope it all goes fine, but there's a hundred things, that just might turn out more problematic in reality, than what you now think. You can't tell the customs you're in a hurry (or you can, but they'll probably just laugh cos they'll think you told a joke!) I've shipped my bike 4 times, and each time it was a big project in itself. Glad I was not in a hurry, because shipping and hurry do not mix very well. But good luck on your ambitious project anyway.
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Thank you pecha72, yours are reasonable discourse. 
I know that there may be many setbacks, I know that mine is a difficult project, but also along the dirt roads of Mongolia with a Gold Wing and it was difficult to 10,000 km from Mongolia to Italy with the bike route (fork skipped and dented circle with tubeless ko) was difficult ... and yet I did.
When planning such a trip, just a dreamer and a simpleton would think it was easy, and I do not think of it.
If do not dare, better to stay home.
I cross my fingers because I'm not superstitious, but I hope and, above all, work so picky and decided to reduce the risks and increase the chances of success of my RTW.
Thanks for the advice.
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17 Nov 2012
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Halloa Gold im Sakura, al mi english al fa' schiv ad ogni mod good luck for your project....
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23 Nov 2012
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I got a quote from Rio de Janeiro to Dakar, for my motorcycle with airplane: $ 4.160 (€ 3.200).
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26 Nov 2012
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That's good but not enough: you cannot precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through both the customs, and Dakar's harbour itsn't properly a carnival...
Outside Europe things doesn't running as in the west world, expecially when you have to face a bike shipping. In your case, you have to carry tons. of patience althoug you're in a constant hurry as for lack of time. That's sounds at least bizarre.
People are use to take it easy: for convenience, lazyness, nature, ignorance or whatever it is. And, the most you're in a hurry, then more you looks like a wallet to them.
I've told you Marcello, three months sounds like a race against time, not a bike trip: if i were in you i wouldn't do it, because of my nature, but i already know you (unfortunately) can only have that amount of time to accomplish your plans.
But, i don't think that experienced overlanders are mainly using this place to waste the time kidding or arguing with each other instead of ride the world (well, it happens, partly...). I always got good tricks searching the Hubb, i trust them because we're part of the same "world" and i never had to complain with anybody else. it is experience that talks and, if anybody says it's white, you cannot be certain it will be black...
Anyway i know you want to give a try to yourself.
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That's good but not enough: you cannot precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through both the customs, and Dakar's harbour itsn't properly a carnival...
Outside Europe things doesn't running as in the west world, expecially when you have to face a bike shipping. In your case, you have to carry tons. of patience althoug you're in a constant hurry as for lack of time. That's sounds at least bizarre.
People are use to take it easy: for convenience, lazyness, nature, ignorance or whatever it is. And, the most you're in a hurry, then more you looks like a wallet to them.
I've told you Marcello, three months sounds like a race against time, not a bike trip: if i were in you i wouldn't do it, because of my nature, but i already know you (unfortunately) can only have that amount of time to accomplish your plans.
But, i don't think that experienced overlanders are mainly using this place to waste the time kidding or arguing with each other instead of ride the world (well, it happens, partly...). I always got good tricks searching the Hubb, i trust them because we're part of the same "world" and i never had to complain with anybody else. it is experience that talks and, if anybody says it's white, you cannot be certain it will be black...
Anyway i know you want to give a try to yourself.
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Hello Donato.
I know "you can not precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through Both the customs" and I also know that "Dakar's harbor properly itsn't a carnival."
But I also know that many said it was not possible to go through certain streets with a Gold Wing as my o ... a Harley like yours. 
The challenge is not only to go to a place, not just go with a motorcycle, but also to go in a certain time. And I like it. I love traveling "fast".
In any case, I travel fast, not "in a hurry". There is a subtle difference. 
Travelers "in a hurry", must necessarily go home within a day.
I do not, I do not "I", I "want" to go back to a certain day. It 's different.
If a month late, it does not happen anything serious, from the point of view of work, I lose a month's pay, not the work, from the point of view of the family, my wife will be sorry, but do not let me down.
I work, I can ask four months and then only use 2, when I come, the day I resubmit my expectation at work / vacation stops automatically and everything returns to normal.
I start planning 2/3 months and my wife knows that I plan to return in this period, but if, by my calculation errors (unlikely: I have never been wrong these accounts in my travels) or events that are my own will, it will take a month more, patience is not the end of the world is nothing irreparable.
Each of us travel in a different way.
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28 Nov 2012
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Hello Donato.
I know "you can not precisely predict how long it will takes you to crate and clear the bike through Both the customs" and I also know that "Dakar's harbor properly itsn't a carnival."
But I also know that many said it was not possible to go through certain streets with a Gold Wing as my o ... a Harley like yours. 
The challenge is not only to go to a place, not just go with a motorcycle, but also to go in a certain time. And I like it. I love traveling "fast".
In any case, I travel fast, not "in a hurry". There is a subtle difference. 
Travelers "in a hurry", must necessarily go home within a day.
I do not, I do not "I", I "want" to go back to a certain day. It 's different.
If a month late, it does not happen anything serious, from the point of view of work, I lose a month's pay, not the work, from the point of view of the family, my wife will be sorry, but do not let me down.
I work, I can ask four months and then only use 2, when I come, the day I resubmit my expectation at work / vacation stops automatically and everything returns to normal.
I start planning 2/3 months and my wife knows that I plan to return in this period, but if, by my calculation errors (unlikely: I have never been wrong these accounts in my travels) or events that are my own will, it will take a month more, patience is not the end of the world is nothing irreparable.
Each of us travel in a different way. 
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I know your point of wiew about "How i like to ride" but you didn't get the meaning of my post. Itsn't to schedule a timing stage from a to b, wich it is only partly predictable getting through, as example, Pakistan and, mainly India, but to know in advance how long it will takes you to manage four different shippings, luckily for you by air, along a "fast", as you said, RTW.
i say "in a Hurry" because that's what i perceive when i read about trips like that.
by the way about shipping from SA to Senegal: may could you heading, for a while, to brazil first, then rode down to BA to manage the fly to Africa.
And, believe me, i've heard different stories, from people wich use to deal with brazilian customs for professional purposes, as i'd avoid to ship anything, from to, Brazil, no matters if by sea or air.
But, at the end, this is your trip, your "challenge", your will to accomplish it at your own way. i didn't knew you can get more time, in case of need, without getting in trouble with the job.
so, once you'll face it, then you'll know...
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27 Nov 2012
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I got a quote from Rio de Janeiro to Dakar, for my motorcycle with airplane: $ 4.160 (€ 3.200).
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The shipper of Rio de Janerio is raising the price. Now is $ 5.164 (€ 3.972) + crate.
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27 Nov 2012
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The shipper of Rio de Janerio is raising the price. Now is $ 5.164 (€ 3.972) + crate. 
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Is it time to start looking at another port now  Brazil is not going to be the cheap way into SA. I've never shipped from Dakar to SA but reading enough I have even known of this for some time but then again to me money is an object that keeps me traveling and I much prefer spending no more than necessary for shipping even if it makes me ship from a country a couple 1000km away.
I'm looking forward to the next quote, I only expect it to get worse...
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Costs at the receiving end is also something to keep in mind. Generally when sending by air, they do not seem to bring as big surprises as they often do with seafreight. But anyway, its good to be aware, exactly what the quotes include. (wow, 4000€ is mighty expensive!)
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Is it time to start looking at another port now  Brazil is not going to be the cheap way into SA. I've never shipped from Dakar to SA but reading enough I have even known of this for some time but then again to me money is an object that keeps me traveling and I much prefer spending no more than necessary for shipping even if it makes me ship from a country a couple 1000km away.
I'm looking forward to the next quote, I only expect it to get worse...
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The problem is that I have no alternative.
1) I do not want to send from Argentina or Uruguay, because for my Round The World does not make sense to stop in Argentina and not arriving in Brazil, before making "the leap" for Africa.
2) I have found NO other carrier in Brazil: NONE, nor in HU nor all over the internet. If there are, I would not have found them.
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