Hi all, I am new here, and I know there has been a lot of talk about China, wether it is possible to take a bike or not, and so on.

I lived in China before and I have my chinese driving license, so, on this part, there is no problem.

I will be moving again to China, and this time I want to take a bike with me. The bike will probably be a R80GS or R100GS Dakar, nothing to fancy so I can do repairs myself.

I have read that rules are changing, but, is it possible to take the bike? What will be the cost at customs? I will be based in Shanghai (or near enough). From what I know there are BMW dealers so, big bikes, must be allowed now.

Any insight will be much appreciated.

hi there,
as far i know it is possible to get in china with own bike. it is very easy: you've just to pay a LOT for it... they ask me 1200 Eu. to ride from torugart to khunjerab pass in 4 days. guide, car guide, driving licence, bike paperworks, insurance, hotels and so on. i've posted in another thread the seeking for people to try to share costs and riding.
my plan is to reach china border on about august 18 2010.

are you on the same way?

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Yes, big bikes are allowed now, but it's not that simple.

Basically in China in some areas you can technically and other areas in reality register big bikes such as BMWs and Harleys. This is only for machines that have been legally imported by these companies for sale, and there is a huge amount of import tax and other registration duties on these bikes, which makes, for example a BMW 100% more expensive 'on the road' than it would be in the EU. Also if you are going to live in Shanghai the bike would need local plates, and probably local plates will be unobtainable in Shanghai, as most residents are limited to 125cc, and you'd need legal import paperwork to register the bike. Shanghai also has one bike or car per household, or other such local bylaws. However the further you will be living from central Shanghai the easier it will be to register.

Also, I doubt it is currently possible to bring in, for any length of time, a motorcycle legally, except short term with some tour group operator. The other alternative would be to stick the bike on the back of a truck and hope for the best, but riding an illegally imported bike in Shanghai is a bad idea these days, but possible to do without too much hassle in rural provincial areas, but you take your own gamble with that.

Laws in China do change, and the government do not publisize rule changes so certainly try to get a 2nd opinion.

If I was in your shoes I would try to buy a 2nd hand registered BMW or buy a new Jialing 600 with Zhejiang plates in China.

Also these days there are loads of 250cc single cylinder and parallel twins which are lightweight, fun, easy to register and cheap to buy.

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dnicoletti, my idea is not to travel to China by bike but fly there and take the bike with me. As I will be moving most of my household goods, the idea is to use the same transport to take the bike over. Once in China I will use it to ride around and maybe take some short trips from home, hopefully with some guys in the same situation.

In any case, dates have not been decided yet.

ZMC888, thanks for your input. I will keep on seeking additional information, I may move before taking a decision and, from Shanghai, evaluate other possibilities. As I will probably start to work there early next year, but will not go into moving until august or so, so I will have a few months to try to find out what will be the best move.

Buying a bike locally is always an option. Actually I was also thinking along those lines. Is this as easy as it looks? If I go along those lines, I will not go for an expensive bike, instead I will look into something chinese that will work.

By the way, is off road riding allowed? Not that it matters since, from what I remember, most roads can really be considered off road by our standards

pepelu,

The Galaxy 250 is a Chinese made bike which is quickly gaining popularity. Cheap and fun, available in motard and dirt format or you can even buy two sets of wheels for different uses. Costs 11,000 to 13,000 RMB and road legal. Fun and all you need in China, due to it having a good power to weight ratio for going through potholes and avoid mad cyclists and village stray chickens.

Check this thread:
ChinaV's new Galaxy 250! - MyChinaMoto - Chinese Motorcycle Forum

There are better bikes available or with bigger displacement but they are all much more expensive or not road legal.

If you decide you need to live in or near central Shanghai you'll probably need to buy and register the bike in Zhejiang in the name of a trustworthy Chinese (girl) friend.

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Forget about bringing a bike to China the legal way If you are lucky you can bring a new bike if you get it CCC'd and it complies with the emission standards. You still have to pay all duties, a homologation fee and go miles of red tape. You end up paying the same as if you'd bought it from a dealer here.

Exceptions:
- diplomats (the emission standard thing still applies)
- if you have really, really, really good connections - I am not aware of anyone who has those for this very purpose

And yes, I know you are not a tourist, you come to work and / or live there. Sorted out your working / residence permit? Also note that the driving license is not valid forever and it may be difficult, highly troublesome or impossible to get it extended if you try to in a place different from the original place of issuing. Once expired for >12 months you have to go through the procedure from scratch.


A good read on rules: Beijing Traffic Management Bureau
Also worth a read: MyChinaMoto - Chinese Motorcycle Forum - Powered by vBulletin

If you buy a bike in China and if you want to be legal (not everybody desires that ), your choice may be among the following:

- 6 to 12k RMB will buy you a 250cc local made bike. The experts for these are on mychinamoto (see link above). A German guy rode a 125cc bike from Shanghai to Berlin, two up!!

- I have not much info on the 400~450cc machines, but some guys on mychinamoto have for sure.

- Less than 40k should make you the owner of a Jialing JH600. Franki (here, on mychinamoto and advrider) is the most experienced JH600 rider I am aware of. I know a bunch of other locals and foreigners on JH600s and I tried it myself - not too exciting but good value for money is the common opinion. There is a good writeup on mychinamoto about this bike.

- there are some legal second hand bikes around for 40 to 200k, mostly Beemers. Currently for sale: F650CS ~75k

- the big bikes are >200k. BMW, HD are in the market for a couple of years already, so is Yamaha (they have only the R1 type approved from what I hear). There is a Honda dealer in Beijing I heard but I am not sure if and what they sell there. Ducati are starting, no idea what they will have on the shelf. I don't think other manufacturers are coming to the Chinese market any time soon.

- no idea on prices of custom bikes ±±¾©ººÂí¹þÀ×||Chrome Horse Motorcycles Beijing China

- there is still a huge 3-wheeler community all over the country if you want to go for one of these - mine is for sale btw


When are you coming and where are you moving to?

All the above to the best of my knowledge and based on very recent first hand info

Moreover the "different village different rules" as well as the "it worked yesterday, it doesn't work today, but it may work again tomorrow" principles apply

Cheers

They way I see it I have several options, some easier than others, some cheaper, some more rewarding than others.

I like to ride my big bike, in this I agree with butch, for this I have two options:

1. buy a very expensive bike in China, with local registration.

2. take my bike to China, at a high price, but, probably is the cheaper option to ride a big bike, considering that I don't have to buy the bike as I already have it. The question is if it is possible. And if it is possible to ride it there and have it properly registered.

Then there is the option of the local small bike. I will like to take one of these bikes back home sooner or later, mostly for fun riding in the country side (or what's left of it and still allowed for bik riding).

Thanks for your ideas.

Honestly, if I were you I'd buy that 2nd hand F650CS, Chinabiker mentioned, or buy a Jialing JH600. If you really have lots of money you could buy a BMW new.

If you are staying in China a few years it is better to wait before buying a Chinese made bike, because the quality is improving, fuel injection is becoming more common and the engines are getting more powerful, plus there are more choices all the time.

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G'Day,

Now that's what I call a really fugly bike!!! Comes very close to the ridiculous BMW C1 scooter years ago.....

Down in Shanghai, recently I have seen a few second hand BMW GS650 and KTM offroad (Enduro) bikes for sale but no idea on the pricing.

Best Regards, Seasons Greeting's! BUTCHMAN

ps: visited the official Ducati Shanghai dealership today as I had a meeting within walking distance and was priced 275000 RMB + 40000 RMB (Shanghai "A" rego / license plate) for a Ducati Hupermotard 1100S......

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I dont see the point to waste my weekly income for a Ducati in China, when I can be just as cool with just my license plates :P

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