Hi Guys n Gals,

I just saw a pair of the new CCM's riding out of Bolton, so I'm guessing it's another couple of riders out on a test.

They do look rather smart, I must admit.

Regards

Reggie

I emailed CCM about when the 450 is coming here, for any Canadians interested I got this back:

"Thank you for you interest in the CCM GP 450.
We are currently completing the Canadian homologation and are hoping to have all testing completed by the end of this month. Once we have our paperwork submitted to Transport Canada and Environment Canada we should be receiving bikes about 4-6 weeks later"

So its looking like June sometime before they will be in Canada, maybe early July by the time they are assembled and ready to go.

Id like to like this bike, but the fairly highly strung engine and aluminum frame - even though its an ingenious design, the way it has lots of interface surface area at the joins of the separate pieces and its bolted together looks substantial, but it would put me off taking it into remote areas where the frame cant be fixed with a generator and a stick welder commonly found on the back of a Ural - maybe the frame is so well made it will never break, time will tell.

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Video shared by CCM today - I think this is a customer's home video.

'LOL' at 6:30 river crossing

ccm gp450 portugal trails - YouTube

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Yes, that's Minkyhead from AdventureBikeRider.

I understand the TUV homologation in Germany has held things up for UK deliveries and production isn't due to start until July. But if Canadian homologation is through maybe they could start to build for that market?

CCM has a stand at the UK HUBB event later this month, so will be asking some questions then.

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Just for my understanding; why would TüV stop the production, if they would have it certified in the UK then it would be certified in the rest of EC automatically, or is my understanding wrong.

Ok without TüV, the Germans might not want to touch it, but it would be approved for sale.

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Ticks most of the boxes for me except for the fact that i need about 70bhp. :-(

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Hi there,

it is my understanding that new vehicles made in the UK, need to be ECWVTA tested and the process takes up to 6 months, where as the TUV testing is accepted to the same standard across Europe as the ECWVTA test but has a lead time of less than 2 months, therefore the TUV is a way more cost effective option that the alternative.

Regards

Reggie

Some might know it already, but production now finally starts at october 20!

For Sweden there is also an agreement with a first dealer confirmed, NCCR (Northern Custom, Classic and Race AB) in Delsbo will sell and service the CCM450.

As I have written in other forums, the first bike is ordered and will be delivered in time for the Stockholm Motorcycle Show (MC Mässan) in Januari 2015. I will be presenting the bike there, but depending on the weather most likely not have chance to do any miles on it. It will have some extras like the complete soft luggage installed.

I am willing to take the risk to try an unproven product, but after my recent experiences with KTM it can't get any worse (six weeks in the repair shop for engine repair). I am very optimistic that the CCM 450 will fit my needs for a light adventure motorcycle and will post my experiences in the coming months!

Hey Nordicbiker,

I'll be looking forward to reading your reports on how you get on with the CCM.

I live less than three miles away from the factory and I'm forever seeing them being tested in the local area but life over the last 13 months hasn't allowed me to visit them, as I was primary carer for my elderly mum. Sadly she passed away just over a month ago, so I'll have more time to think about biking etc and one of the things at the top of the list is to go to visit Alice and the crew at CCM.

Regards

Reggie

Reggie, Sorry to hear about your loss. Where exactly are CCM based in Bolton. I live South Bolton, but not seen any bikes out and about. Are they anywhere near Dave's Aquarium?

I don't understand completely major makers like honda, yamaha or bmw why they abandoned that medium market for some crazy ideas like 1200cc, 260 kg wannabe adventure bikes which nobody want to buy. They prefer sell one big bike a year instead of 25 smaller ones???


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I don't want to test some new brand nobody heard of, I just want my adventure bike from honda or yamaha.

You might not want to buy a "1200cc, 260 kg wannabe adventure bike", but plenty do. Look at the sales stats of the BMW R1200GS.

Bikes like the BMW G650X (Challenge/Country/Moto) were made for a year or 2, before being discontinued.

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Plenty of buyers for GIANT behemoths, BMW GS leading the way with KTM 1190 close behind. Also, know big bikes provide largest profit margins. Do most owners ever really go anywhere off road? Mostly NOT and that's fine.

Abandon? Look at the whole market, not just UK. The Japanese have been nibbling round the edges of this niche for quite a few years, but have mostly left the BIG ADV bike niche to BMW, KTM. Only Suzuki had a "semi adv" bike in the Vstrom starting in 2002. (DL1000 and DL650) (also, was never intended as a ADV bike at all ... I attended the original Product launch)

Yamaha has jumped in now with the Tenere' 1200 (in 2012). Honda are screwing around but nothing serious yet, IMHO.

Among small Adventure bikes the Japanese are quite active with more to come. Consider the WR250R & CRF250L ... I don't think you can buy either one in the UK? You do get the XT250, KLX250S? None made to order ADV bikes but easily converted and well suited.

The Suzuki DRZ400S has been around since 2000, never designed to be a ADV Travel bike. Here owners stepped up and improvised. Old design now but a good one, makes a fair travel bike that is affordable and practical. Hundreds gone walkabout on this bike. Certainly more to come in this CC class from the Japanese ... be patient.

The 650cc class has also been well represented by the Japanese. Yes, OLD designs not upgraded in years ... but ALL good, affordable bikes. None high tech race bikes, rather practical, reliable very basic dual sports with potential to be a travel bike. (thousands done RTW on DR, KLR, XR-L, XT) 10 times more than KTM or BMW singles.

Two of the big four offerings not for sale in the UK. I know XT's are sold in UK and perhaps the XR650L Honda still is? :confused1: In the US we get the 650's save the Yamaha XT's. (we get Tenere' 1200, but no 660/600 XT's since '95)

The USA and other parts of the world still can buy Suzuki DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650. Brand new. Old nails to be sure, but cheap, cheerful, strong and practical. Never would match a CCM in a race but I'd bet would out pace the CCM going RTW in terms of reliability, maintenance and parts availability, in a world where roads of some sort are nearly everywhere.

The Japanese could jump into this market anytime and likely dominate it. But they won't, has to with world markets, value of competition and a very conservative view. (discussion for another topic)
What! You mean you don't want to be a Beta tester and pay £8500 for the privilege!??

I get your point but fact is CCM are not new. They go back over 10 years, we even had them for sale here in the USA with Suzuki and other power plants over the years. I thought they looked nice but I never rode one. In the UK they got highly "mixed" reviews (read: not so good) overall. But have hung in there and now are back. I say good luck to them!

This new CCM uses a well proven BMW (made by Kymco in Taiwan) motor,
all new chassis design with some "innovative" elements. Components are good to excellent. While not 100% proven on the road going RTW, tests posted here and elsewhere remain quite hopeful.

Now it's official: CCM issued a press release yesterday and they mention it also on their homepage. There is now an officially appointed official dealer for the CCM 450 in Sweden, with first deliveries to be expected in January! However I feel a bit discriminated: the UK gets the first bikes already in November. But well, at the other hand: that gives CCM a chance to sort out any production problems!

Hi Skyliner,

CCM are based at
Unit 5
Jubilee Works
Vale Street
Bolton
BL2 6QF

Which is off Bury Road.

Regards

Reggie