I bought the idiot rag as I had time to kill. Pretty fair test on the CCM but not a lot more detail than the posts above and the video. The engine strip down thing would be a killer for me but I would make the effort to go see one in the flesh and talk about it.

MCN also had a hilarious spread, big vs small adventure bikes. The "little" Triumph 800 is better than their 1200 but the F800 doesn't cut it again the 1200GS for anyone who needs a proper bike :confused1:. I think they loaded the script from a Ewan and Charlie into their Journotron 3000 and let it write what it normally writes in the knee down-wheelie- 3 kg lighter than last year - knee down - wheelie mode. Can't wait for next months 800-1200 cc Adventure bike shoot out at in Valencia

Best bit was a single column that said they might bring the SR400 to the UK. 25 horses in a frame the same shape as Ted Simon used, built without 1930's metallurgy. Suits me Sir

Andy

Maybe they should rename it the "Short Adventure".......

Go forth and conquer the world.... Just rebuild the engine before you get out of Europe...

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15.000 miles before rebuild is extremely good for an engine of this type, my EXC was more or less toast before 4.000 miles.

It will get you to Cape Town (from Europe), but not back.

From what I hear there is a long skirt piston for the 450 engine available - maybe ccm have chosen to fit this in the final set up - who knows ? has anyone asked that would extend engine life a bit - along with the fact they have dropped 1500 revs from the top end with the limiter, remapped the ignition and advance all of which softens the stress on an engine - one designed to be revved to the limit all out, so i would think those factors alone would extend the bottom end life by a huge amount, if they do fit the long skirt piston that would also make a massive difference to wear on the barrel and piston - still not sure about the 1.25 oil capacity seems small but I am used to bigger bikes air cooled etc - yet with the above softening of the engine the oil is not going to get the same pounding and burning and with high quality modern oil the life span is petty good, but with that quantity I would be changing it every 2 - 3000 miles anyway - top gear featured a car last year that had oil change intervile of 100,000 so maybe 5000 in a detuned 450 is not as bad as they say. The 15000 mile rebuild if thats a reality would be a pain but i assume its only top end - piston valves and guides - which would not be a show stopper in reality a days work - the word is that the bmw g450x was warrantied for 36 month as an enduro machine - thus the reason for the massive maintenance schedule from BMW could it be in place so that they maybe never had to pay out for a warranty claim ?.I also see that there is an aussie lad has done over 30,000 on a 52hp g450x without a strip down - maybe he doesnt ride that till its screaming for mercy - so maybe all the rebuild stuff is just hot air and wind - scaremongering about the unknown !. I dont know till i talk to them in a few weeks time at the factory.

I'm guessing that the dealer network is not going to be huge (based on the manufacturer aim to provide the backup service of shipping a replacement engine anywhere in the world and the small market for specialist bikes).

Seeing it in the flesh may be a case of go & try one out in Bolton (still looking forward to that report!).

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Haha maybe...

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Microsoft has been selling operating systems with bugs in them for years, leaving their customers with glitchy computers that send error reports back to base after every crash. Despite this they are still hold the number one position for OS providers on computers.

What does this say about the end user? The general population will continue to buy certain products because they are classed as market leaders. Regardless of the fact that there are far better and more adept alternatives on the market, most consumers will just follow like sheep because that is what they are told is "best".

Possibly why there's lots of little orange sheep roaring around the woods at any enduro event in uk currently..?

Saw this posted by MCN on their youtube channel today.

CCM GP450 Adventure takes on rivals | Interviews | Motorcyclenews.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIv4tJUddiQ

Good to see MCN riding dirt bikes! Now they just need to get more writers who actually ride dirt bikes. Also very good to see them talk about doing RTW on lightweight ADV bikes vs. $25,000 usd BMW R1200R GSA.

Of course they liked the CCM ... but they did let slip that it's done on the highway at 50 mph. Solution? Gearing. But they left out a lot of practical day to day stuff for travel. Going RTW is not a Moto Cross race.

I'm surprised they 90% ignored the little Honda. In many parts of the world the Honda would be my choice over either of the other two. The CCM will be great when crossing Dunes, rocky tracks and tricky mountain trails.
But realistically, that sort of riding is a small percentage of the terrain over all on a long-ish RTW or continent crossing ride.

In Asia, I'm sure the Honda would be the winner... plus you can buy a NEW one in Thailand where Honda have a factory! In EU or N.America, I'd take the Yamaha Tenere'. If doing Mongolia then the CCM is the winner ... as long as you hire a Jeep to carry your camping gear and all your crap ... cause by the look of the CCM ... it may not be the best Pack Mule type bike. Dunno? :confused1:

The CCM would be a great week end or week long local ADV travel bike. I'd love to take one out to our Mojave or Black Rock Desert. The 450 is the perfect bike for that sort of terrain. But for the long road on a fully loaded bike, crossing many borders and doing thousands of miles of mundane highway ... the CCM would not be my first choice.

Just make sure you take a friend on something reliable to tow the ccm home when it let's you down! Been there done that would not risk it again

I believed all the hype first time around, should have got myself an XR

The difference in what I take for a week long trip or 6 months is minimal, the planning is different I grant you but as for carrying that much extra...no. Ask anyone who travels by foot and they'll tell you that if you take a big 100+l bag you'll fill the 100+l bag, if you take a 60l you'll take what you need, the CCM might not be as comfy on the longer stretches as a beemer or the big katy's, but if you're used to traveling light then I see no reason why it wouldn't be suitable.

Careful Noah - some people around here don't like when you start talking sensibly!

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Nice one. Where is that trail exactly?

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Yeah it would be good if you could share a gpx of that trail for next time I'm in Die Schweiz

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