1- companies are saving money on everything
2- safety of rider is not that important any more
3 -what else???

More of the same.







Mezo.

I love the lowering kit on the 1200 GS.....

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Is that your bike? What happened there?
A few XCountry swingarm have bust ... jumping! They're not made for it!
Do the same thing on that Honda of yours and you'll end up in a similar situation.

How are your long distance test rides on the KTM 690 and Triumph Tiger 800 going?

If you wanna play rough on rough terrain ... you gotta have:
The Right Tool For the Job!

Well whilst watching the Dakar the other week & in every single commercial break there was an advert from BMW with guys blasting through the Australian outback on their GS`s with flashy music & a voice over man telling us how good they are in the rough stuff.

The parting clip shows a guy pulling a monster wheelie on dirt, that would suggest to me that the bikes they are showing are capable of that particular feat, no?

From the pictures above it would suggest using caution when pulling such wheelies that are endorsed on BMW`s official TV advert.

Mezo.

I have to admit, those BMW ads are quite impressive! But you could put a pro stunt rider on a Honda Gold Wing and get similar antics I guess.

I think the big GS's are tougher these days and I think BMW are doing more actual off road R & D work. Younger crew of guys working there now ... guys who ride. Ride a new one ... impressive bike.

But the fact is ... and BMW freely admit it ... only about 10% of GS customers will ever ride their GS beyond it's limits off road ... and most will stay on the road.

But the advertising still suggest "off road adventure" and like this one it says "UNSTOPPABLE"



Oh wait, the bike split in two again.



And another fail !!



Mezo.

C: "What do you reckon Ewan? they are really shit eh buddy"

E: "Im saying nothing Thingy"



OK so im bashing GS owners, but hey you fell for the BS not me.

Mezo.

The figure I have seen was 2% ... BMWs research is only 2% of GS owners ride their bike off road

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Regarding your point number 2, your post number 20 in here contradicts you completely: the event you identify in post 20 went as follows, as I recall -- BMW did a recall and provided replacement bikes to those effected by the recall in the UK for the time that the bikes were off the road; the new water cooled RT were replaced with loan bikes, usually water cooled GSs, and the local dealers had to step up to the plate and deal with this, often providing their own demo bikes.
They also collected the machines from the owners for the recall work because "they could not be ridden". As an anecdote, it is said that one UK registered bike was recovered from mainland Europe and the owner, on vacation at the time, was provided with a replacement bike to continue the holiday.
In the USA, because those guys are much more prone to go to law very quickly, they did something along the same lines and made compensation payments to the owners - I forget the details but it was in the order of a few 1000 US$ per customer.
All this was done for a safety-related recall; contrary to your point 2 above.
I don't know of another manufacturer that would provide anything like this level of service; maybe you do?

"Which Bike"
"What we need to be aware of when buying a new bike today"
Just how unrelated can a thread become to both the forum and its own title; it needs to go into the BMW thread so that all potential purchasers can be aware (of something or other).

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Dave

nonsense on all counts - this is not about bmw, all brands are welcome.
Cannot helped beamer is screwed up the most. Cost cutting saving are visible all around, in case of my honda luckily so far only bending ignition keys (saving on metal I guess). Who knows what next, never happened in 30 years to me that my keys are so soft that melt in hand...

how about F800GS cracked tanks?

Anyone noticed fuel tank plastic cracking? - BMW F800 Riders Forum & Registry

F800GS Cracked Gas Tanks





another cost cutting, no QA savings...

Temperature wrong or contamination in the moulding process IMHO. Another example of the effects of short production runs? If you make it thicker you add weight and cost which marketing and accounts dislike.

Quality cannot be inspected in. Quality is what the supplier wants to do. I have been a supplier to BMW. We partied when we lost the job, there are other customers who help and inspire rather than expecting you to sort problems they cause.

Andy

QA, now there's a topic that rarely gets a mention in the HUBB.
It would be good to hear your views of how things have moved along over the past 40 years or so; please see my latest post in here:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...ropean-80333-3

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Dave

Ah! Now we have the agenda that started this thread.
No harm in that, but clearly it's a BMW thread of the disgruntled variety.

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