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T7 Comprehensive tools list

I've ordered the T7. While waiting for delivery I thought I would start compiling a comprehensive list of tools, spares, fasteners and consumables for this particular bike. As I don't have the bike yet, nor a workshop manual, I was hoping that others might have lists of their own to share that we then could compile into a comprehensive list.

The OEM tool kit just won't cut it. On long trips I don't follow the advice on travelling light on tools. I prefer to service and fix as much as I can myself, using my own tools wherever I can, even if the local mechanic has more suitable tools. It is a great way to get to know the bike, discover issues and their developments - before things go from iffy to SHTF. Also, having the experience to carry out diagnostics as well as the practice and tools to get out of a bad situation when help is scarce - is reassuring. Further, when sourcing the help of others - being a competent buyer of services can save one self a lot of money and problems. Saving money from farming out the work is just a bonus.

Of particular interest are sizes or any specialized tools for this bike in particular, not all the general tools such as a file, pressure gauge or a particular brand of tire iron - though I'm always keen on learning something new.
  • Alan/Umbraco (note if there are fasteners that can't be reached with a bit in a bit holder/screwdriver, requiring an alan wrench)
  • Philips (note any fastener sizes that can't be reached with a bit in a bit holder/screwdriver due to shaft width, requiring a regular screwdriver)
  • Slot/Flat (note any fastener sizes that can't be reached with a bit in a bit holder/screwdriver due to shaft width, requiring a regular screwdriver)
  • Torx (note if there are fasteners that cant be reached with a torx bit in a bit holder/screwdriver due to shaft width, requiring a regular screwdriver)
  • Spanners (list where two of same size is needed)
  • Sockets (list where two of same size is needed)
  • Valve stem remover size (OEM tube)
  • Spoke wrench size
  • OBDII Diagnostic Tool
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If there are any spare parts that are advisable to carry for this bike in particular, it would be good to have the part numbers for those.

Also, does anyone know of a repair manual for this bike? As a novice mechanic, I have always liked the Hayne's Manuals - but it seems as they are yet to come out with one for the T7 (hopefully soon).
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Swapping fasteners to a common size helps a lot too.

Having all of your fairings use one size tool etc.

Manufacturers use what's cheapest. Not always what's most suitable.
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Have a look at Youtube video re spark plug changing...
Quite incredible the amount of stuff you have to disloge, loosen, remove ( even the radiator!) and the length of that tool.... still replacement of iridium only due every 20 000 kms.
BTW, the PDF service manual is on the web - I downloaded it last week.
then you may need spare spokes, oil cartridge tool (a leather belt does the job too) chain breaker/riveter etc
So many tools, so little time...
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Won't a T7 use JIS screws not Phillips? Anything you have to shift from overtight will thank you for using the right bit, especially if made of Chinese cheese-toffee. You can replace the air filter screws, copper slip them etc. during prep but IMHO you won't cover every repair option.

On the CB500X for example I fitted countersunk stainless Allen heads to the brake reservoir so know the key used for the phone mount is dual purpose and will shift them , but there are plenty of JIS ones buried I hope I never have to touch, but I carry the bits.

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Got the pdf service manual, but like a Haynes repair manual with the show and tell in adition to the service manual
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Is this toolkit for roadside repairs or regular servicing work at home? I'm just surprised you'd be considering taking a new bike to bits, particularly with the 'no fiddling' terms (implied if not actual) that come with warranties. If nothing else take Andy's advice and get some JIS screwdrivers / bits if you're going to be removing cross headed screws. Philips profile bits will mark JIS heads when they slip out. Maybe not every one but enough for the dealer to wonder what else is mangled when he's considering your warranty claim.

My rule of thumb with trip prep work has been to replace some of the cross headed screws with allen headed ones. Some, but not all. The dividing line comes with stuff I might reasonably consider 'roadside' fixable - they get the allen head stuff. Anything beyond that I stick with the original screws. If I have to undo those on a trip it's either a recovery truck or a workshop somewhere.
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9/10 Motorcycle shops don't even know what JIS is.

Japanese industry standard. And pretty much the standard fit on cross head screws and fasteners on anything that comes out of Japan.

To be honest, if a fastener has a cross-head fastener, it's likely to be low torque, so any non-Pozi driver will fit it 'well enough' if it's the right size 1,2,3, etc.

However, if you're removing stubborn or rusted fasteners, the correct JIS driver does make a big difference.

I think I'm the only mechanic I've ever met who owns a set of JIS screwdrivers.

I like to use the Vessel Through Tang drivers. They're heavy, but you can give them a whack to dislodge and bite rusted fasteners.
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Here's the first one I intend to get for mine... apparently it fits neatly under the seat.


https://www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk...tenere-spanner
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Backofbeyond, you make some good points. The last time I owned a brand new bike was 20 years ago, before I knew how to turn a wrench. Since then I've always bought stuff that were beyond warranty. I would have done that this time also if it wasn't for the tenere 700 Rally edition being so fricking awesome that I just had to have it... and as there being no +5 year old bikes to be had yet - I'm on unfamiliar ground.

When the clock turns 10 or 20, or 50k, there are a lot of bits that need to be taken off for service on these bikes - i.e. when changing something simple like spark plugs. And when the odometer ticks over in a place like Guinea Bissau, or the bike falls apart - self reliance is key, irrespective of warranty.

Some of these fastener can't be identified until after you have dismantled the parts that cover them up. I won't be removing anything until it needs to be, solely to find out which tool I will need with me - if there is a list to be found. The longer the trip, the more things will go wrong also. Even before I knew how to turn a wrench, having brought bike specific tools has saved me - as a professional mechanic lacking those tools could use mine.

As for warranty, that might be an issue the first few years. I have not checked wether Yamaha requires that I use a certified mechanic or if they just require that the bike is serviced properly (which they can argue isn't if anyone but a certified mechanic has done the work - but in Norway the burden of proof is on the seller of the bike). I probably will use a certified mechanic for the every 10k service the first couple of years, if I can - but maybe not. Half the fun of owning a bike is to maintain it yourself.

I have a ton of tools at home. But I just like to have a large bike specific tool kit prepared and ready, in addition and separated from my other tools in my garage. I usually divide this in three levels: the basic "every day" emergency kit riding (close to home), the "touring" add on, and the "expedition" add on.

I tried looking at a parts fiche, but it only notes the part numbers for the fasteners and don't really specify the type of fastener nor the required tool.
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You wont need a tool kit ................ its a YAMAHA ! just a spanner to remove wheels and adjust chain ! ::
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