 3Likes
 |
|
16 Jun 2020
|
 |
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Dusheti, Georgia
Posts: 178
|
|
meanwhile, please let me ask this question.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezo
It is non repairable, my 600E cracked in the exact same spot, ...
|
- does that mean that it's something like a "weak spot" of the engine? pretty concerned about it...
|
16 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Milan, Italy
Posts: 575
|
|
|
first time i ever seen this type of failure and i run some heavily stressed XT based engines in my supermono and supermoto,
doesnt mean it cant happen, as we see.
im always more interested in the "why?"
one reason i can think of is heavily lugging at low rpm, but not that provable.
when you take the motor appart, check the right main bearing fit in the new cases, if its too loose, that could be another reason.
|
16 Jun 2020
|
|
R.I.P. 25 November 2021
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 688
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by N67
does that mean that it's something like a "weak spot" of the engine? pretty concerned about it...
|
Well if its going to go, it will go around that area as all the ones ive seen have done so right in that same spot (around the balance shaft) my 600E, a 3AJ Tenere & a TT600 Belgarda.
And there have been a couple of catastrophic failures in the same area due to the balance shaft key sheering & then that just detonates the engine case.
I wouldn't necessary cal lit a "weak spot" if everything is within spec & maintained its a strong engine, but if something goes wrong (bearing, key way etc) that is where the case will fail.
Mezo.
|
17 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Dominican republic
Posts: 16
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by turboguzzi
first time i ever seen this type of failure and i run some heavily stressed XT based engines in my supermono and supermoto,
doesnt mean it cant happen, as we see.
im always more interested in the "why?"
one reason i can think of is heavily lugging at low rpm, but not that provable.
when you take the motor appart, check the right main bearing fit in the new cases, if its too loose, that could be another reason.
|
ok, thanks I will check.
I used the bike as everyday ride for 2 years, and after 3 months of buying it I rebuild the engine, but dint change the timing chain, so in august last year I put the timing chain new, and I used to ride everywhere in Dominican Republic, and I was about to sell the bike before the engine started vibrating when you rev it, I thought it was a bearing but the right crankcase is cracked almost breaking part.
I am still waiting for the mechanic to disarm the engine
|
17 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Dusheti, Georgia
Posts: 178
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezo
Well if its going to go, it will go around that area as all the ones ive seen have done so right in that same spot (around the balance shaft) my 600E, a 3AJ Tenere & a TT600 Belgarda.
And there have been a couple of catastrophic failures in the same area due to the balance shaft key sheering & then that just detonates the engine case.
I wouldn't necessary cal lit a "weak spot" if everything is within spec & maintained its a strong engine, but if something goes wrong (bearing, key way etc) that is where the case will fail.
Mezo.
|
got it. thanks a lot.
|
18 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Dominican republic
Posts: 16
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezo
Sorry i missed the year, so the main difference is how the clutch is operated, on yours the 4PT it is from the RH side & on previous models its from the LH side, i dont not know if this makes any difference internally though? i will try & find out if the case are the same.
EDIT: I sent Geoff a message so he may chime in soon with your answer.
Mezo.
|
I found this lower engine 3tb on ebay, you think i can use this. It says they took it from a 1996
|
18 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Milan, Italy
Posts: 575
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezo
Well if its going to go, it will go around that area as all the ones ive seen have done so right in that same spot (around the balance shaft) my 600E, a 3AJ Tenere & a TT600 Belgarda.
And there have been a couple of catastrophic failures in the same area due to the balance shaft key sheering & then that just detonates the engine case.
I wouldn't necessary cal lit a "weak spot" if everything is within spec & maintained its a strong engine, but if something goes wrong (bearing, key way etc) that is where the case will fail.
Mezo.
|
Mezo, not really following you here... the crack in Traians case is around the main crank bearing, not the balancer shaft.... are we talking the same failure here? or is it just my bad eyesight?  started wearing reading glasses lately...
|
19 Jun 2020
|
|
R.I.P. 25 November 2021
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 688
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by turboguzzi
Mezo, not really following you here... the crack in Traians case is around the main crank bearing, not the balancer shaft.... are we talking the same failure here? or is it just my bad eyesight? started wearing reading glasses lately... |
Well around that area, mine was the same place as his but hairline cracks, his is a very bad crack, but they all seem to be on the RH side.
And traians, G30ff is going to chime in soon (hopefully) in regard to the 3TB engine & whether it can be used, he`s forgotten his password for the site but stay tuned.
Mezo.
|
20 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
HUBB regular
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Hartlepool
Posts: 77
|
|
|
Hi Traians
If you're going to fit the complete bottom end in your bike then I'm sure it will be fine, you will need to remove any clutch operating mechanisms on the 3TB and fit the blanking plugs from your engine... you may need to buy new ones if you can't get them out.
You will need to check the condition of the 3TB... gearbox, small end, etc.
It would be preferable to fit a 4PT if you can find one..
Out of curiosity is the primary drive nut still tight on your engine?
Geoff
|
20 Jun 2020
|
 |
HU Founder
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Dec 1997
Location: BC Canada
Posts: 7,259
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mezo
he`s forgotten his password for the site but stay tuned.
Mezo.
|
Tel him to TRY and login with ANYTHING and he'll get an opportunity to reset his password - and find out his username if need be, so long as his email address is still valid! If not write me direct with details.
__________________
Grant Johnson
Seek, and ye shall find.
------------------------
Inspiring, Informing and Connecting travellers since 1997!
www.HorizonsUnlimited.com
|
20 Jun 2020
|
|
R.I.P. 25 November 2021
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 688
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grant Johnson
Tel him to TRY and login with ANYTHING and he'll get an opportunity to reset his password - and find out his username if need be, so long as his email address is still valid! If not write me direct with details.
|
He`s back in Grant, post above.
Cheers anyhow.
Mezo.
|
20 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Dominican republic
Posts: 16
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by G30ff
Hi Traians
If you're going to fit the complete bottom end in your bike then I'm sure it will be fine, you will need to remove any clutch operating mechanisms on the 3TB and fit the blanking plugs from your engine... you may need to buy new ones if you can't get them out.
You will need to check the condition of the 3TB... gearbox, small end, etc.
It would be preferable to fit a 4PT if you can find one..
Out of curiosity is the primary drive nut still tight on your engine?
Geoff
|
Thank you very much! My mechanic just send me the picture of the crankcase, its just cracked so maybe im going to repair it. The best crankcase that i found was the one i send earlier.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F293299270050
I dont put a 4pt because i don’t find one, in dominican republic we dont have parts of this bike. The mechanic send me a picture he disarm the complete engine, tomorrow ill go and send you more pictures.
|
20 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Milan, Italy
Posts: 575
|
|
|
use welding as your very very last solution...
even if it's "just cracked", the temperatures of welding can distort the cases, change the tolerance of the bearings fit, etc.
a good welder will preheat the complete cases before welding so there is less distortion
of course that if you dont have another solution it is better than nothing.
|
21 Jun 2020
|
|
R.I.P. 25 November 2021
Veteran HUBBer
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 688
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by turboguzzi
of course that if you dont have another solution it is better than nothing.
|
That`s what i was thinking, worth a try i guess? but looking at his first picture is that a couple of hairline cracks i see? to the right.
Mezo,
|
23 Jun 2020
|
|
Registered Users
New on the HUBB
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2020
Location: Dominican republic
Posts: 16
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by turboguzzi
use welding as your very very last solution...
even if it's "just cracked", the temperatures of welding can distort the cases, change the tolerance of the bearings fit, etc.
a good welder will preheat the complete cases before welding so there is less distortion
of course that if you dont have another solution it is better than nothing.
|
Hi, mi brother took the cranckcase to get it repair, and its impossible ill have to buy one, the crank bearing has some freeplay.
I think im going to order the 3tb low engine because i dont find another one.
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 Registered Users and/or Members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Check the RAW segments; Grant, your HU host is on every month!
Episodes below to listen to while you, err, pretend to do something or other...
2020 Edition of Chris Scott's Adventure Motorcycling Handbook.
"Ultimate global guide for red-blooded bikers planning overseas exploration. Covers choice & preparation of best bike, shipping overseas, baggage design, riding techniques, travel health, visas, documentation, safety and useful addresses." Recommended. (Grant)
Ripcord Rescue Travel Insurance™ combines into a single integrated program the best evacuation and rescue with the premier travel insurance coverages designed for adventurers.
Led by special operations veterans, Stanford Medicine affiliated physicians, paramedics and other travel experts, Ripcord is perfect for adventure seekers, climbers, skiers, sports enthusiasts, hunters, international travelers, humanitarian efforts, expeditions and more.
Ripcord travel protection is now available for ALL nationalities, and travel is covered on motorcycles of all sizes!
What others say about HU...
"This site is the BIBLE for international bike travelers." Greg, Australia
"Thank you! The web site, The travels, The insight, The inspiration, Everything, just thanks." Colin, UK
"My friend and I are planning a trip from Singapore to England... We found (the HU) site invaluable as an aid to planning and have based a lot of our purchases (bikes, riding gear, etc.) on what we have learned from this site." Phil, Australia
"I for one always had an adventurous spirit, but you and Susan lit the fire for my trip and I'll be forever grateful for what you two do to inspire others to just do it." Brent, USA
"Your website is a mecca of valuable information and the (video) series is informative, entertaining, and inspiring!" Jennifer, Canada
"Your worldwide organisation and events are the Go To places to for all serious touring and aspiring touring bikers." Trevor, South Africa
"This is the answer to all my questions." Haydn, Australia
"Keep going the excellent work you are doing for Horizons Unlimited - I love it!" Thomas, Germany
Lots more comments here!
Diaries of a compulsive traveller
by Graham Field
Book, eBook, Audiobook
"A compelling, honest, inspiring and entertaining writing style with a built-in feel-good factor" Get them NOW from the authors' website and Amazon.com, Amazon.ca, Amazon.co.uk.
Back Road Map Books and Backroad GPS Maps for all of Canada - a must have!
New to Horizons Unlimited?
New to motorcycle travelling? New to the HU site? Confused? Too many options? It's really very simple - just 4 easy steps!
Horizons Unlimited was founded in 1997 by Grant and Susan Johnson following their journey around the world on a BMW R80G/S.
Read more about Grant & Susan's story
Membership - help keep us going!
Horizons Unlimited is not a big multi-national company, just two people who love motorcycle travel and have grown what started as a hobby in 1997 into a full time job (usually 8-10 hours per day and 7 days a week) and a labour of love. To keep it going and a roof over our heads, we run events all over the world with the help of volunteers; we sell inspirational and informative DVDs; we have a few selected advertisers; and we make a small amount from memberships.
You don't have to be a Member to come to an HU meeting, access the website, or ask questions on the HUBB. What you get for your membership contribution is our sincere gratitude, good karma and knowing that you're helping to keep the motorcycle travel dream alive. Contributing Members and Gold Members do get additional features on the HUBB. Here's a list of all the Member benefits on the HUBB.
|
|
|
helps answer the question - Why Go? Inspirational stories by veteran travellers Greg Frazier (5 times RTW), Peter and Kay Forwood (193 countries), Tiffany Coates (Mongolia Mayhem) and Rene Cormier (University of Gravel Roads).
Get Ready! covers planning, paperwork, medical and many other topics! "Inspirational and Awesome!" See the trailer here!
What stuff do I need - riding gear, clothing, camping gear, first aid kit, tires, maps and GPS? What don't I need? How do I pack it all in? Lots of opinions from over 150 travellers!
break down language barriers, overcome culture shock, ship the bike and deal with breakdowns and emergencies."Just makes me want to pack up and go!" See the trailer here!
Grant demystifies the black art of Tire Changing and Repair to help you STAY on the road! "Very informative and practical." See the trailer here!
Ladies on the Loose! For the first time ever, a motorcycle travel DVD made for women, by women! These intrepid women share their tips to help you plan your own motorcycle adventure. They also answer the women-only questions, and entertain you with amazing tales from the road! Presented by Lois Pryce, veteran solo traveller through South America and Africa and author of 'Lois on the Loose', and 'Red Tape and White Knuckles.'
Cotton or synth sweat-wicking t-shirts with the cool Horizons Unlimited graphic on the front and a snappy slogan (changing every year) on the back.
Show your route on your panniers. Great conversation starter when you meet people on the road!
Motorcycle and travel books to inspire and inform you!
The definitive guide to planning your motorcycle adventure! This insanely ambitious 2-year project has produced an informative and entertaining 5-part, 18 hour video series. "The ultimate round the world rider's how-to!" MCN UK.
Linear Mode
