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What to do with a moto left behind in Buenos Aires?

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So I had a beautiful Kawasaki Super Sherpa that I drove from Canada down to Argentina but unfortunately due to covid I had to leave my moto at a friend's house in Buenos Aires and fly back to Canada in April this year.

I would love to be able to fly back down to Argentina and finish my trip to patagonia but I imagine it will be a long time before we could do that again?

So say hypothetically I waited until September 2021 to go back. Would I even be legally able to drive my moto then? The TIP for the moto is already expired. Would Argentina be making new exceptions for foreign vehicles given the covid situation?

My other option is to sell the bike for scraps to my friends cousin for a couple bucks. Kind of a sad end for such an amazing moto but I feel like there's not really any other option now.

I was wondering if anyone else has any clue as to what is going on concerning the logistics of the situation. Did anyone else here leave a moto behind in a far away land?
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Chances are, the Argentinian authorities and border guards will be understanding of the situation and either pass a specific regulation exempting people from fines over expired TIPs when exiting the country, or just quietly telling the border guards to look the other way.

But we have to get to the point where people can actually fly down easily again...
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Have you been in contact with the authorities at all? I would expect that it is better to talk to them and get clarification and information at this stage then trust to luck / kind border guards. They may tell you how long any extension would be granted for and how to apply for an extension so removing doubts and allowing you to make informed decisions.
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I imagine there are a fair number of folks in the same boat.
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We have the same problem here. Our two bikes are also stored in Buenos Aires. We paused our TIPs, so it seems like, they could stay in the country forever. However they can't be moved like that.

Shipping them back to Europe is not worth anymore. Selling the bike is not possible. Somebody said, that there might be a way to get rid of it legally, by passing it to the officials and they will scrap it. That would be extremely sad though.
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So I'm looking like I'll just sell the bike to my friend's cousin. At least he might have some fun with the parts.

I guess my only problem would be if I ever go back to Argentina and I run into problems at the border when they see I left a vehicle there? I feel like the aduana wouldn't really notice or say anything about an old TIP if I went back to Argentina again years from now.
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Exclamation Problems in Argentina

Hi,
I am living in Buenos Aires and i have to go to the micro center next week.

I can go to the customs where you normally extend the stay of the bike (it is on plaza de mayo, i did that years along before having my residency here) and from what i remember it was free.
Are you actual temporal importation papers still valid ?

In the past i know that there was a couple that was taking care of such things here, i remember i met them thanks to this website but it was more than 10 years ago but it seems there are still doing such things : http://www.dakarmotos.com. (They are listed on the site : https://www.horizonsunlimited.com/li...es/dakar-motos)

About selling, what some people where doing it sell it to a foreigner on the boat to Uruguay (from what i remember it was the only way). basically boat gets out of Argentina on a name and with a define plate and enters the other country with another owner and another plate BUT since then Argentina computerized a bit more its system.

Selling to an argentinian would just be for parts, importation of used vehicules is prohibided by law (unless you were owner before moving to argentina).
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this is what i heard last from afip:
Administración Federal de Ingresos Públicos2020 - AÑO DEL GENERAL MANUEL BELGRANOInstrucción GeneralNúmero: Referencia: Criterios uniformes respecto a la reanudación a partir del 30/11/2020 del curso de los plazosoportunamente suspendidos por medio de la Resolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP)I.- INTRODUCCIÓNPor medio del Decreto N° 298 del 19 de marzo de 2020 y sus modificatorios, se suspendió el curso de losplazos, dentro de los procedimientos administrativos regulados por la Ley Nacional de ProcedimientosAdministrativos N° 19.549, por el Reglamento de Procedimientos Administrativos del Decreto Nº 1.759 del3 de abril de 1972, texto ordenado 2017, y por otros procedimientos especiales, sin perjuicio de la validezde los actos cumplidos o que se cumplan.En ese contexto, se dictó la Resolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP) mediante la cual se estableció, por unlado, la suspensión del curso de los plazos de las destinaciones suspensivas de importación y exportación y,por el otro, de los plazos operativos de materia aduanera previstos en el Código Aduanero, sus normasreglamentarias y complementarias, todo ello durante la vigencia de la medida dispuesta por el Decreto N°298 del 19 de marzo de 2020 y sus modificatorios, con las excepciones allí previstas.Adicionalmente, la Subdirección General de Técnico Legal Aduanera por medio de la NOTA Nº 102/2020(SDG TLA), brindó las pautas procedimentales para la aplicación inmediata de las disposiciones de laResolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP) a nivel operativo.Mediante el art. 4 del Decreto N° 876 del 7 de noviembre de 2020, publicado en el Boletín Oficial esemismo día de su dictado, se estableció la reanudación, a partir del 30/11/2020, del curso de los plazosoportunamente suspendidos mediante el Decreto N° 298 del 19 de marzo de 2020 y sus prórrogas.II.- OBJETIVOImpartir criterios uniformes respecto a la reanudación, a partir del 30/11/2020, del curso de los plazosoportunamente suspendidos por medio de la Resolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP).III.- ALCANCEEsta Instrucción General resulta de aplicación para todas las reparticiones del servicio aduanero.IV.- PAUTAS PROCEDIMENTALESA) Pautas generales


1. Como principio general, se deberá entender que a partir del 30/11/2020 se reanudará el curso de losplazos legales y reglamentarios de materia aduanera suspendidos a partir del 20/3/2020 por imperio de laResolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP).Esto implica que, para aquellos plazos que empezaron a computarse con anterioridad al 20/3/2020, no sólocorresponde contabilizar el tiempo que transcurra con posterioridad al cese de la suspensión, sino tambiénel tiempo transcurrido con anterioridad a que se produjera la misma. De ese modo, el nuevo plazotranscurrido se une al computado con anterioridad al inicio de la suspensión dispuesta.Ejemplo: para las mercaderías alcanzadas por el régimen de identificación de mercaderías previsto en laResolución ANA N° 2.522/87 sus modificatorias y complementarias, suponiendo que al 20/3/2020 el plazode TREINTA (30) días hábiles para estampillar se vio suspendido habiendo transcurrido 27 días,reanudará su curso a partir del 30/11/2020, hasta cumplir el remanente pendiente (3 días).2. En aquellos supuestos de plazos legales y reglamentarios de materia aduanera suspendidos por imperiode la Resolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP) en los cuales, de no mediar causal de suspensión alguna, elplazo hubiera debido comenzar a computarse en cualquier fecha comprendida entre el 20/3/2020, inclusive,y el 30/11/2020, el inicio del mismo debe computarse a partir del 30/11/2020.Ejemplo: para las mercaderías alcanzadas por el régimen de identificación de mercaderías previsto en laResolución ANA N° 2.522/87 sus modificatorias y complementarias, suponiendo que el plazo de TREINTA(30) días hábiles para estampillar se hubiera debido comenzar a computar -de no mediar causal desuspensión alguna- en cualquier fecha comprendida entre el 20/3/2020 (inclusive) y el 30/11/2020, sucurso se iniciará a partir del 30/11/2020, debiendo computarse hasta su agotamiento (30 días).B) Supuestos particulares1. Para el caso de destinaciones suspensivas de importación o exportación temporaria otorgadas en el marcode los Decretos Nros. 1.001/82 o 1.330/04, según corresponda, cuyos plazos se habían iniciado antes del20/3/2020, corresponderá su cómputo de conformidad con lo establecido en el punto A.1 de este acápite IV.A los fines del reflejo sistémico de ello, se deberá ampliar el plazo autorizado por los 255 días corridos quetuvo vigencia la suspensión dispuesta (días comprendidos entre el 20/3/2020 y el 29/11/2020 considerandoambos extremos).Ejemplo: Destinación de Exportación Temporaria (240 días) cuyo cumplido se registró el 25/9/2019,hubiera tenido como fecha de vencimiento del plazo acordado el 22/5/2020. Este plazo se vio suspendido al20/3/2020, con un plazo transcurrido a esa fecha de 176 días, quedando pendientes a partir del 30/11/2020los 64 días restantes para el vencimiento del plazo acordado. En el SIM se deberá ampliar el plazoautorizado por los 255 días corridos que tuvo vigencia la suspensión dispuesta.2. Para el caso de destinaciones suspensivas de importación o exportación temporaria otorgadas en el marcode los Decretos Nº 1.001/82 o 1.330/04, según corresponda, cuyos plazos, de no mediar causal desuspensión alguna, hubieran debido comenzar a computarse en cualquier fecha comprendida entre el20/3/2020, inclusive, y el 30/11/2020, corresponderá su cómputo de conformidad con lo establecido en elpunto A.2 de este acápite IV.A los fines del reflejo sistémico de ello, se deberá ampliar el plazo autorizado por los días corridostranscurridos entre la fecha en que hubiera debido comenzar a computarse el plazo (fecha del libramiento odel cumplido, según corresponda) y el 29/11/2020, ambas fechas inclusive.Ejemplo: Destinación de Exportación Temporaria (240 días) cuyo cumplido se registró el 22/7/2020,hubiera tenido como fecha de vencimiento del plazo acordado el 19/3/2021. Siendo que el plazo naciósuspendido, el mismo debe empezar a computarse a partir del 30/11/2020. En el SIM se deberá ampliar elplazo autorizado por el período comprendido entre la fecha de origen del plazo y el 29/11/2020. En estecaso, 130 días.3. Cuando de conformidad con lo establecido en la NOTA Nº 102/2020 (SDG TLA), en las destinacionessuspensivas de importación o exportación temporaria otorgadas en el marco de los Decretos Nº 1.001/82 o1.330/04, según corresponda, se hubiera otorgado una prórroga del plazo original sin tener en cuenta lasuspensión de plazos dispuesta, una vez transcurrido el plazo de la prórroga otorgada deberán adicionarselos días equivalentes al período en que resultó de aplicación para esa destinación la suspensión dispuestapor la Resolución General N° 4.726 (AFIP), según se trate de un supuesto del punto A.1 o del punto A.2 deeste acápite IV.4. Con relación a los plazos previstos en los arts. 217 y 222 del Código Aduanero, su cómputo se realizarásegún se trate de supuestos del punto A.1 o del punto A.2 de este acápite IV. Una vez vencidos los mismos,el SIM retomará la liquidación de las multas automáticas correspondientes.5. Con relación a los plazos de los tránsitos sumarios, el día 30/11/2020 retoman su vigencia los plazosprevistos en las Instrucciones 25 y 26/98 y su cómputo se realizará según se trate de supuestos del puntoA.1 o del punto A.2 de este acápite IV. Vencidos los plazos no corresponderá continuar con losdesbloqueos de los manifiestos.6. Con relación al plazo para digitalizar la documentación establecido en el art. 9 de la Resolución GeneralN° 2.721 (AFIP) -con la modificación introducida por la Resolución General N° 2833 (AFIP)-, su cómputose realizará según se trate de supuestos del punto A.1 o del punto A.2 de este acápite IV.Sin perjuicio de ello, y a los fines de evitar concentraciones de personas, se otorgará un plazo adicional deVEINTE (20) días contados desde el vencimiento del plazo computado de conformidad con lo establecidoen el párrafo anterior.7. Con relación al plazo de admisión o salida temporaria para los vehículos de turistas regulados tanto porlas Resoluciones (ANA) Nros. 4.712/80 y 308/84, como por las Resoluciones Generales (AFIP) Nros.1.419, 2.623 y su modificatoria, 3.311 y 3.473, su cómputo se realizará de conformidad con lo establecidoen los puntos A.1 o A.2 de este acápite.Sin perjuicio de ello, y en virtud de que por el Decreto N° 956/2020 se prorrogó el AISLAMIENTOSOCIAL, PREVENTIVO Y OBLIGATORIO, en determinados puntos geográficos del país, y elDISTANCIAMIENTO SOCIAL, PREVENTIVO Y OBLIGATORIO, en el resto del territorio nacional,cuando por aplicación de lo establecido en el párrafo anterior el plazo pendiente de cómputo a partir del30/11/2020 y hasta su vencimiento sea inferior a VEINTE (20) días, se otorgará este último plazo contadodesde el 30/11/2020 para el cumplimiento del régimen. Si el vencimiento del plazo originario, computadode conformidad con lo establecido en los puntos A.1 o A.2 de este acápite IV, fuese posterior, seconsiderará extendido hasta la fecha de aquel vencimiento.En la ocasión que los interesados se presenten ante las aduanas solicitando autorización para ingresar o salirdel país, independientemente de cual haya sido su aduana de ingreso o egreso, se deberá otorgar laregularización en trato en forma automática por los puntos operativos intervinientes, sin generar trámitesadministrativos previos. En caso de tener reflejo sistémico el previo ingreso o egreso, deberá regularizarseel trámite en el sistema (ENYSA).V.- DEROGACIÓNSe deja sin efecto la Instrucción General N° 3/2020 (SDG TLA).VI.- VIGENCIALa presente Instrucción General entrará en vigencia el día de su dictado.VII.- PUBLICACIÓN Y DIFUSIÓNRegístrese, comuníquese, difúndase en el Boletín de la Dirección General de Aduanas, en la página deIntranet de la Dirección General de Aduanas (http://intranet.afip.gob.ar/portal/dga/Normativa.aspx) y en laBiblioteca Electrónica de la Administración Federal de Ingresos Públicos. Asimismo, envíese por correoelectrónico mediante “AFIP Comunica” y archívese


i am still reading and trying to figure out what it is truely saying
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Nice work !


basically it states the TIP delay where frozen as of the 20/3/2020.
BUT start again with the days counts you had at that day staring from 30/11/2020
So if your bike/car was there since 13/3/2020, (7 days) for 240 days autorized
on the 1/12 (dec) it would be its 8th day. and you ll have the right to 232 days from the 30/11/2020.
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I imagine there are a fair number of folks in the same boat.
Yes, that is for sure.

My motorcycle (Honda ST 1100) is currently in storage in Tunisia - I left it there at the beginning of April 2020 when I repatriated back to Canada at the start of the COVID pandemic.

The Tunisians had already announced that they had suspended the normal rule that foreign vehicles had to leave the country with (and at the same time) as the owner who temporarily imported them for touristic purposes.

I suspect that most jurisdictions in the world will be quite forgiving and quite understanding when it comes to vehicle overstays caused by COVID repatriations - I doubt that Argentina will be any different, in your case particularly because the bike is from so far away (Canada, not simply a neighboring country).

You might consider writing the Argentinean consular representative in Canada and describing your situation, and ask them if there is anything special you should do when you return to pick up the bike.

I do suggest you take with you the passport you used to enter and exit Argentina (in case you have renewed your passport in the meantime) - that will enable you to show officials when you left the country, and that you did not do any other travelling between leaving Argentina and returning to Canada. That would support your position that you involuntarily left the bike behind, and have returned to collect it as soon as you reasonably could.

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In 2013, I knew two guys that left their motorcycles in Buenos Aires and returned home to New Zealand. They thought they could make arrangements remotely to have the bikes shipped, but later learned they needed to present the paperwork in person. That meant flying back to Argentina for the sole purpose of organizing and managing the shipping. It's been 7 years and the rules may have changed, so it's only possible the owner will need to return to Argentina to ship a bike home. On the positive side, Argentina is a nice place to visit.
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A lot of things are possible in Argentina if you have the right customs agent. I worked there for a year in 2000 and it was real eye opener. If I had a valuable bike stuck there I would go back when I could and find a customs agent to help me sort it out.
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