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Allegedly "Official" CdP map: Your experiences?
This map appeared at http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...al-south-70438 in a discussion about where you do/don't need a CdP. The poster alleges it’s "official", although he never stated the source.


Other Hubbers presented the consensus that no CdP is required in the Americas. (the thread was about the Americas).

I believe it's inaccurate/wrong for Japan and the continent of Africa.

Traveling N to S through Africa, it can be done without: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...0-tenere-64769 however if trying to enter RSA at an airport or sea-port it is mandatory: http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...oid-need-69788

Japan: at http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...t-carnet-65950 it says you can travel Sakahlin to Wakkanai without a CdP.

Quotes from the other thread include:

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Originally Posted by markharf View Post
the map is nonsense now, as it ever was. I'll repeat: No need for (and no recommendation for) a carnet anyplace in north, central or south america.
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Originally Posted by surfy View Post
it is a official map from 2012, not directly nonsense i guess.

The list of "red" countries are really small and all outside of america.

Surfy
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Originally Posted by chris View Post
there are lots of allegedly "official" websites/organisations, including the uk fco, the us cia etc. That are best treated with a pinch of salt (or at worst as the comic strip they are). Take advice from the hubb and you're much more likely to have useful, up to date, correct, verifiable facts.

However, it's your choice. I prefer to get my view of the world from the daily express.[IMG]file:///C:\Users\crb\AppData\Local\Temp\msohtmlclip1\01\cl ip_image001.gif[/IMG]

ps. I've read of several people on the hubb who got into japan without a cdp and there's a chap who rode through many countries in africa without a cdp also. Basically, the map you posted is verging on total fabrication.
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Originally Posted by surfy View Post
the map shows the situation for traveling a "legal way".

Yes you can drive through africa without a carnet, because the guys on the border mostly don't know what are the rules.

But: Not all officials are educated that way. You can get into trouble - when you meet that guy who know what is legal.

Do you mean that guys who had to pay high bribes had done their paperwork in a good way? Or does he had a faked carnet, or something else to make out of him a "weak" target?

When you study the entrys about japan at hubb - you will see that you only can get a temporary import-paper when you arrive in a given way.

Did you really take the risk to get stranded because you dont have a carnet, who cost 220 usd?

Surfy
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Originally Posted by markharf View Post
you may be right (or not) about specific countries or specific borders. The map itself, however, remains nonsense. No amount of naming it "official" will change that.

The op asked about the americas. That happens to be an area in which there is no debate at all about the need for a carnet. Answering by posting your "official" map merely displays ignorance.

If anyone wants to argue about africa or japan, by all means have at it.

Mark
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Originally Posted by andyt View Post
from personal experience, i can tell you that there is no need for a carnet in canada, usa, mexico, all the central american countries, colombia, ecuador, peru, bolivia, argentina, and chile.

It is important to have a drivers license, passport, and vehicle ownership document all in the same name. People have done this trip with a sketchy title, but i would do what i had to, to get legit title with the bike, so take into account how long it might take to get it, and plan to stay in the country you buy the bike in until you receive title.
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Originally Posted by pecha72 View Post
i think it´s been common consensus on this site for years, that you do not need a carnet anywhere in the americas.

The eternal confusion about the carnet probably comes from the fact, that there are countries, that allow you to use the carnet, if you have it, as your temp import document (maybe this can fall into the category “recommended”, although personally i would not bother, if the country has another temporary import paper). And then there are some countries (but not in the americas) that absolutely demand that you have the carnet, or else your vehicle´s entry into that country will be very tough, will take days in the best scenario, and will most likely include some large-scale payments and/or bonds to be made – egypt, india, and australia come to mind here.

And finally, there are a lot of countries, where their border officials most likely won´t have a clue, what that yellow paper is. But if the border has a lot of truck traffic, then they´ll probably know what it is, as it´s still a common paper for truckers (and that is also another possibility, why you get maps showing a carnet is recommended somewhere).
I believe it to be, at best, very misleading. What are your comments on the map?
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