Do'es anyone know where i can get insurance cover for Morocco on a UK registed vehicle?

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Hi there.

We are three Bikres planning to start our trip on the beginning of June 2013. From Muscat - UAE - Iran - Turkey - Greece - Italy - France and finaly to UK. (Up and down).

We need some advices of the foolowing:
1 - What type of papres required to cross boarders.
2 - Route prefared.
3 - Is is a good time and weather during this time (June).
4 - Interesting area and places to visit.

and anu other advices.

Regards
Hamood
Muscat - Oman

Hello Hamood,

1. UAE: you probably know more about that than I do. Insurance at the border.
Iran: better check with the embassy. You probably need a Carnet de Passages from your auto club. Try to get insurance on arrival, but I doubt you will be successful in Bandar Abbas.
Turkey: insurance at the border, unless you arrange Green Card in advance, which will cover you for EU. Use your CdP, if you have one, otherwise pay a fee. I don't know whether you need a visa.
EU: you must have GC, probably available at the border with TR. Check visa requirements. No border crossings until UK, for which you will need a separate visa.
Original bike registration. If it's in Arabic script only you need an official translation. Your auto club should be able to help you.

2. Ferry Sharjah - Bandar Abbas, but check that it's running.
Cross Iran-TR at Orumyieh/Sero. This crossing is easy and quick. In Italy motorways are very expensive for bikes. I would stick to the small roads in the centre, if you have time. France: the SE corner, but stay away from the coast.

3. Starting in June is probably ideal. But: how long have you got? To really enjoy this trip you will need at least 10 weeks.

4. Depends very much on what you are interested in and how much time you have. You will need to do a little thinking and research, then post questions in the trip planning forum. This will be an awesome trip if you have 3 months, it will be hard to do in 2 months and trying to do this in one month will be a record-breaking attempt that may well fail.

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Cheers,
Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10

Hi Hamood:

You have asked a number of questions that address different topics. Only for the sake of housekeeping here in the forum (by that I mean trying to keep discussion threads confined to a single topic within each thread), I think it would be best if we only deal with the "insurance" portion of your questions here in this discussion.

Concerning your question 1, "What type of papers are required to cross borders", there is an entire sub-forum here on HUBB dedicated to that topic, it is the Trip Paperwork forum. If you take a careful look through the various questions that have been posed in that forum over the past 2 or 3 years, I think you will probably find the answer to that question. If you don't, I suggest you create a new discussion thread (new topic) with a more specific question, for example, "What kind of papers are required to get from UAE to the Eastern border of Iran" or similar.

Concerning your question 2, "What route to take from the UAE to Europe", there is a forum dedicated to exactly those type of questions, it is the Route Planning forum - perhaps post that question as a new topic in that forum. That might also be a place to gather info about your question 3, weather, and question 4, interesting things to see.

With respect to insurance coverage that you will need for the trip, I don't have a lot to add to what Beddhist wrote above, but I can confirm the accuracy of the advice he has given you:

1) For Turkey, you just buy it at the border. Read through earlier posts in this discussion and you will find more detail about how to do that.

2) For the EC countries, buy it in advance from either Arisa (see post #48 in this discussion) or MotoTouring (see post #98 in this thread). You can deal with either of these two companies by email or postal mail, and do the transaction ahead of time, so you will have the documents before you leave the UAE.

3) For the UAE to the Turkish border, God only knows. This discussion (all 184 posts so far) deals with insurance for EUROPE (check the title of the discussion). I suggest you create a new discussion in this forum with the question "How to I get insurance for a trip from the UAE to Turkey?" But, before you do that, perhaps check with an insurance company in Muscat, they might have the answer you seek.

Finally - you indicate that you plan to begin your trip in June 2013 - isn't it awfully fuggin' hot in the Middle East during June and July? Do you think that it is wise to attempt to traverse the (very thinly populated) Arabian peninsula from south to north on motorcycles when the average daily temperature constantly exceeds 40°C? I mean, Jaysus, not even the Bedoun would try to do such a trip on camels at that time of year.

Michael

To add another 2c: if you do get your GC in advance it may include Turkey. It's worth asking about it before handing over $$.

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Peter.

Europe to NZ 2006-10

I have below the contacts from previous posts from this thread for ARISA contacts:

E-Mail: w.plunien@arisa.lu
He did however ask to contact the following email rather for correspondence.
kraftfahrt@arisa.lu
Or
Jessica Ries

Tel : 00352 262940-56
Fax : 00352 262940-40
E-Mail : j.ries@arisa.lu


Does any one have any more recent up to date contacts at ARISA?

I have below the contacts from previous posts from this thread for ARISA contacts:

E-Mail: w.plunien@arisa.lu
He did however ask to contact the following email rather for correspondence.
kraftfahrt@arisa.lu

Jessica Ries does not work at ARISA anymore

I sent this email to ARISA ASSURANCE in Luxembourg since they actually write the policy for ADAC:

I am a Canadian citizen and am currently visiting Morzine, France. Last year in May 2012 I got Green Card Insurance at ADAC in Frankfurt for 2 months when my Goldwing motorcycle was shipped from Canada. I have stored the motorcycle in Evora, Portugal since last Summer and I will be returning to Portugal at the end of March. I need Green Card Insurance as of March 27 for 3 months. I understand through the Horizons Unlimited Motorcycle website forum that I can get the Frontier Insurance (Green Card) directly from ARISA. I have my ownership for the bike and the Green Card from last year.


The first reply from Sylvie at ARISA was this below which I do not understand:

In fact you don't shipped your Goldwing to Canada last year, so now you must look for an insurance in Portugal.


Then a little later I received this from Sylvie at ARISA

We are sorry, but we cannot give you an insurance product.
Your motorbike still stay in Portugal, so you must look for an insurance in this country.


Best regards
Cordialement
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Sylvie Koch

ARISA Assurances S.A.
5, rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453 Luxembourg
Tel 00352/ 262940-53


I sent this response:

Hi Sylvie
I drove my bike around Europe last summer and ended up in Portugal. I will pick up my motorcycle in Portugal in March and continue riding around Europe for the next three months. I do not understand why you cannot offer me insurance for my bike? I understand that I may be able to get Grenzversicherung from ADAC but may have to go to Germany to get it and that is very inconvenient and expensive.

Her email address is : sylvie.koch@arisa-assur.com

Any suggestions or help appreciated.

gopdebeek,

I think you do NOT have to go--physically--to Germany, to get an ADAC/ Arisa Grenzversicherung 'Green Card' policy for your Canadian registered bike in Portugal.
Try
Green Card
who can usually arrange ADAC Green Card from the ADAC Heidelberg office, and send it to you in advance of returning to EU/ Portugal.
(or)
How does the European Green Card Insurance work?
who can usually do the same thing with a (different) Italian underwriter
(or)
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...een-card-61241

It might seem 'logical' to try to go directly to underwriter Arisa, but underwriting bureaucracies sometimes have their own interpretation of situation/ rules, or just prefer not to deal directly with particular circumstances like yours.

+1 for the last post: the insurance business has certainly swung toward the use of "middle men" who come between us, the customers, and those who actually underwrite the risk.

Also, tell them as little as possible; stick to the facts associated with the insurance of the bike and not it's "history" of how long it has been kept in Europe - for the latter there are national restrictions which for most countries are 6 months, maybe one year; that may be why the underwriters initial reaction ( it's always easier to say no than yes) was "we can't do that".

Maybe, if all else fails, take the bike to, say, Maroc, for a short time and then re-import it into Europe (for another 6 month stay )

"and am currently visiting Morzine, France." -- Me too! Nice over night fall of snow.

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Dave

Thanks Walkabout, maybe we should meet for coffee sometime in Morzine, I am here until March 26. Nice snow but too cold for me to ski.

This is what I received from ARISA today:

To issue an insurance we need the following documents (scan) and information for checking from you:

1. Identity card and driver’s license of the vehicle owner
2. Registration document of your vehicle (Title, V5, etc) with registration-number, vehicle identification number
3. The starting day of the insurance (beginning date of the insurance).
4. The term of insurance (for how long the insurance should run)
5. Your complete postal address (the address where the vehicle is registered)
(6. The shipping address (if different from the registration address))

Best regards
Cordialement
Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Sylvie Koch

ARISA Assurances S.A.
5, rue Eugène Ruppert
L-2453 Luxembourg
Tel 00352/ 262940-53

I have known a few Canadians who don't like the cold; but, come on, around -6 cent, or thereabouts, + a bit of wind chill.
Unfortunately, I move on, soon.

That's a good, positive, business-like reply and deals with the facts. Excellent, and I trust you will get a good deal; interesting that they don't ask for a complete "life history" of motoring convictions such as speeding offences and suchlike.

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Dave

+1 that Arisa now appears willing to consider issuing insurance directly.

It will be interesting to know:
1. why the same Arisa rep changed (her) tune from the first denial;
2. if Arisa actually issues the policy, based on the info requested/ submitted;
3. whether Arisa charges less-same-more than its broker/agents like ADAC.

gopdebeek, please let us know Arisa's followup if you can.
Thanks.

Here are a series of email between ARISA and me in the last day:

From ARISA:
Your motorcycle insurance was expired in 14 Jun 2012.
The documents of your motorcycle must be updated before we can provide a green card insurance.
Please send us documents with valid date.

From me:
That date of June 14 2012 on my Ownership paper was the Canadaian Insurance expiry date I had bought in Canada. It is not valid in Europe. Any insurance I buy in Canada is for Canada only and not valid in Europe. The green card Insurance gives me liability insurance in the EU countries. I cannot buy Green Card Insurance in Canada that is why I must buy it in Europe from ARISA. You will see on the green card 1 PDF copy of last years Green card that I had coverage for 2 months from May 05 2012 to July 04 2012. I would now like to purchase it again from March 27 2013 to June 26 2013. I hope this is clear now.

Last year March 15 I bought the 2003 goldwing locally that I shipped to Europe. The BC Insurance Corporation of BC (ICBC) rep said that the BC insurance was not valid in Europe and made a point of putting that on my file. I had bought 3 months ICBC insurance from March 15 to June 14 because I need to ride the bike around and maybe to Vancouver when it would be shipped. On may 6 the bike arrived in Frankfurt and I insured it until July 4 , three months. I got to Portugal and stored the bike on July 4 and flew home July 6. I have attached my ownership and green card scans.

I sent these plus id etc to ARISA insurance in LUxemburg

here is a one day back and forth
From ARISA:
Your motorcycle insurance was expired in 14 Jun 2012.
The documents of your motorcycle must be updated before we can provide a green card insurance.
Please send us documents with valid date.

From me:
That date of June 14 2012 on my Ownership paper was the Canadaian Insurance expiry date I had bought in Canada. It is not valid in Europe. Any insurance I buy in Canada is for Canada only and not valid in Europe. The green card Insurance gives me liability insurance in the EU countries. I cannot buy Green Card Insurance in Canada that is why I must buy it in Europe from ARISA. You will see on the green card 1 PDF copy of last years Green card that I had coverage for 2 months from May 05 2012 to July 04 2012. I would now like to purchase it again from March 27 2013 to June 26 2013. I hope this is clear now.

From ARISA:
Without an intact insurance in Canadian we are not able to provide an green card insurance for Europe.

help

gopdebeek,
Have a look at post number 2 (and maybe number 3) in this thread:-
http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...nsurance-69292
The owner of the camp site in Bulgaria has been offering to act as an intermediary for green card insurance.

As for the insurance companies, such as ARISA, they never fail to amaze me with their business practices.
If all else fails, perhaps you can renew your Canadian insurance and get it emailed to you; this happens quite commonly in the UK when a bike is taken off the road for a while.

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Dave